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Post by greenchristian on Oct 7, 2021 20:30:44 GMT
The longstanding tradition where local voters have participated in a referendum on whether to have a Mayor is surely for the govt to impose the opposite of what people wanted? And what authority was given a mayor against a referendum? There have been complaints in both Coventry and Birmingham about having had a regional mayor imposed after having clearly rejected an elected mayor for our respective cities in referendums. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 7, 2021 20:47:22 GMT
And what authority was given a mayor against a referendum? Or in our case had the mayor taken away despite the referendum? Kirklees, Leeds and Wakefield, for a start I am not aware of any directly elected mayors for any of those cities or boroughs. |
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Post by ilerda on Oct 7, 2021 21:10:48 GMT
And what authority was given a mayor against a referendum? Or in our case had the mayor taken away despite the referendum? Kirklees, Leeds and Wakefield, for a start Wrong, and I dare say you well know it. |
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Post by ilerda on Oct 7, 2021 21:11:42 GMT
And what authority was given a mayor against a referendum? There have been complaints in both Coventry and Birmingham about having had a regional mayor imposed after having clearly rejected an elected mayor for our respective cities in referendums. You can find someone to complain about anything if you try hard enough. This forum is proof of that! |
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Post by grahammurray on Oct 7, 2021 21:11:49 GMT
Kirklees, Leeds and Wakefield, for a start Wrong, and I dare say you well know it. Manchester. |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 7, 2021 21:15:21 GMT
There have been complaints in both Coventry and Birmingham about having had a regional mayor imposed after having clearly rejected an elected mayor for our respective cities in referendums. You can find someone to complain about anything if you try hard enough. This forum is proof of that! But when the regional mayor was introduced you didn't have to look hard to come across people who took that view. |
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Post by ilerda on Oct 7, 2021 21:16:27 GMT
Wrong, and I dare say you well know it. Manchester. Also wrong. Anyone able to give an actual example in answer to the original question? |
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Post by ilerda on Oct 7, 2021 21:19:31 GMT
You can find someone to complain about anything if you try hard enough. This forum is proof of that! But when the regional mayor was introduced you didn't have to look hard to come across people who took that view. Yes I know they did, and I sympathise with Coventry in particular in that situation. But everyone here at least should know that a CA mayor and a local authority mayor are entirely different things. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 7, 2021 21:20:40 GMT
Also wrong. Anyone able to give an actual example in answer to the original question? We in Stoke had a referendum to have a Mayor and then had a referendum not to have a Mayor (and they whinged about us wanting a second Brexit referendum, ungrateful buggers). |
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Post by grahammurray on Oct 7, 2021 21:20:57 GMT
Also wrong. Anyone able to give an actual example in answer to the original question? Errr, Manchester. |
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Post by peterl on Oct 7, 2021 21:28:00 GMT
Did Leicester not create an elected mayor without a referendum?
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Post by ilerda on Oct 7, 2021 21:29:11 GMT
Also wrong. Anyone able to give an actual example in answer to the original question? We in Stoke had a referendum to have a Mayor and then had a referendum not to have a Mayor (and they whinged about us wanting a second Brexit referendum, ungrateful buggers). If anything that’s the exact opposite of the original question. Having a referendum at every change and that result being carried out. |
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Post by ilerda on Oct 7, 2021 21:30:38 GMT
Also wrong. Anyone able to give an actual example in answer to the original question? Errr, Manchester. The City of Manchester voted against a directly elected mayor, and it does not have a directly elected mayor. Andy Burnham is the combined authority mayor for Greater Manchester, which is a completely different position with different powers covering a different geographic area. |
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Post by andrewp on Oct 7, 2021 21:33:55 GMT
Does anyone know whether all of these are counting tonight?
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Post by grahammurray on Oct 7, 2021 21:35:48 GMT
The City of Manchester voted against a directly elected mayor, and it does not have a directly elected mayor. Andy Burnham is the combined authority mayor for Greater Manchester, which is a completely different position with different powers covering a different geographic area. The City of Manchester voted against a directly Mayor and now has one in conjunction with nine other authorities who got no say at all in the matter. Do you really think that Mancunians opposed it on the basis that they really wanted one but only if all its neighbours were included? Manchester DOES have a directly elected Mayor. |
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Post by phil156 on Oct 7, 2021 21:46:53 GMT
Does anyone know whether all of these are counting tonight? |
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Post by phil156 on Oct 7, 2021 21:48:29 GMT
Does anyone know whether all of these are counting tonight? As I've been at Manchester been unable to phone them up so in the dark I'm afraid
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Post by ilerda on Oct 7, 2021 21:50:27 GMT
The City of Manchester voted against a directly elected mayor, and it does not have a directly elected mayor. Andy Burnham is the combined authority mayor for Greater Manchester, which is a completely different position with different powers covering a different geographic area. The City of Manchester voted against a directly Mayor and now has one in conjunction with nine other authorities who got no say at all in the matter. Do you really think that Mancunians opposed it on the basis that they really wanted one but only if all its neighbours were included? Manchester DOES have a directly elected Mayor. The two are irrelevant to each other and entirely unconnected. The referendum was on how Manchester City Council should be run, not on whether the entire county wanted a devolved metro mayor. Different jobs, different powers, different funding, different organisations, different geographies. |
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Post by grahammurray on Oct 7, 2021 21:54:37 GMT
The City of Manchester voted against a directly Mayor and now has one in conjunction with nine other authorities who got no say at all in the matter. Do you really think that Mancunians opposed it on the basis that they really wanted one but only if all its neighbours were included? Manchester DOES have a directly elected Mayor. The two are irrelevant to each other and entirely unconnected. The referendum was on how Manchester City Council should be run, not on whether the entire county wanted a devolved metro mayor. Different jobs, different powers, different funding, different organisations, different geographies. So did the entire county want a devolved metro mayor? |
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Post by ilerda on Oct 7, 2021 22:03:06 GMT
The two are irrelevant to each other and entirely unconnected. The referendum was on how Manchester City Council should be run, not on whether the entire county wanted a devolved metro mayor. Different jobs, different powers, different funding, different organisations, different geographies. So did the entire county want a devolved metro mayor? I have no idea, but that wasn’t the original question. The question was asking for an example of where the government has imposed a directly elected mayor on a local authority when it has been explicitly rejected in a referendum (or abolished one without a referendum), and that is not the case in Manchester. |
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