Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Dec 4, 2021 15:01:55 GMT
Can someone please explain the relative ideological positioning of all of the 4 leading LR candidates? Not sure all of them could do that themselves... |
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Post by relique on Dec 4, 2021 15:29:44 GMT
Pécresse won the second round 61/39.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 5, 2021 9:35:14 GMT
Pécresse won the second round 61/39. The Observer describes her as a "surprise winner, defeating high-profile names such as Michel Barnier". Which is a rather strange take. (And goes to show how far foreign correspondence in the UK press has fallen) |
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Post by seanryanj on Dec 5, 2021 13:09:31 GMT
Should be interesting! Is the right wing too crowded? Still looks like macron v le pen...and the left is a complete mess
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Post by John Chanin on Dec 5, 2021 13:30:42 GMT
I don’t know - if Zemmour persists with his candidacy and doesn’t crash and burn, I would thnk that Pecresse has a good chance of finishing second in the first round. And if she does she would have a good chance of winning the run off against Macron. Game on I thnk.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 5, 2021 16:42:59 GMT
I don’t know - if Zemmour persists with his candidacy and doesn’t crash and burn, I would thnk that Pecresse has a good chance of finishing second in the first round. And if she does she would have a good chance of winning the run off against Macron. Game on I thnk. Looking at the most recent polls, it could really be tight. There's a conceivable scenario where any one of Pécresse, Zemmour and Le Pen makes it to the second round with under one percent of difference to one or both of the other two. Le Pen is sat at 19 per cent, and that looks weak. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Dec 5, 2021 22:15:19 GMT
A fight has broken out at a Zemmour rally.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 5, 2021 23:46:16 GMT
A fight has broken out at a Zemmour rally. Zemmour himself was assaulted outside. |
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edgbaston
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Post by edgbaston on Dec 5, 2021 23:57:15 GMT
A fight has broken out at a Zemmour rally. You could never imagine that many people attending political a rally in the UK, let alone so far from Election Day, and let alone with that many attendees willing to partake in large brawl. Burke |
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Post by seanryanj on Dec 7, 2021 18:25:01 GMT
Well the left seem to be in a right mess unless there is a unified candidate they won't make it into round two. That doesn't look to likely.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 8, 2021 12:01:11 GMT
Well the left seem to be in a right mess unless there is a unified candidate they won't make it into round two. That doesn't look to likely. The French Left has a staggering ability to not learn from history. Plus, several of those Left groups are little more than vanity outfits (ND), personality cults (LFI, Montebourg) or actual cults (Lutte Ouvrière). Subordination to the PS would completely remove their raisons d'être. They haven't even managed to get a unified green candidate. The best unified Left candidate would surely be Hidalgo, but she's too rooted in the real world for several of these parties. And in the case of Jean-Luc Melenchon, she fails the key test, because she is not him. |
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Post by relique on Dec 8, 2021 14:55:12 GMT
Well the left seem to be in a right mess unless there is a unified candidate they won't make it into round two. That doesn't look to likely. The French Left has a staggering ability to not learn from history. Plus, several of those Left groups are little more than vanity outfits (ND), personality cults (LFI, Montebourg) or actual cults (Lutte Ouvrière). Subordination to the PS would completely remove their raisons d'être. They haven't even managed to get a unified green candidate. The best unified Left candidate would surely be Hidalgo, but she's too rooted in the real world for several of these parties. And in the case of Jean-Luc Melenchon, she fails the key test, because she is not him.
I think you meant "unrooted" or smothing like that. Much too parisian for my taste, or the rest of France.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 8, 2021 16:09:28 GMT
The French Left has a staggering ability to not learn from history. Plus, several of those Left groups are little more than vanity outfits (ND), personality cults (LFI, Montebourg) or actual cults (Lutte Ouvrière). Subordination to the PS would completely remove their raisons d'être. They haven't even managed to get a unified green candidate. The best unified Left candidate would surely be Hidalgo, but she's too rooted in the real world for several of these parties. And in the case of Jean-Luc Melenchon, she fails the key test, because she is not him.
I think you meant "unrooted" or smothing like that. Much too parisian for my taste, or the rest of France.
"Rooted" compared to them, I should have said! I'm not a fan either. I mentioned how many books about Zemmour I saw the other week, but there were loads about Hidalgo too. Or at least there were at Auchan in Lille! |
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Post by relique on Dec 8, 2021 21:58:22 GMT
I think you meant "unrooted" or smothing like that. Much too parisian for my taste, or the rest of France.
"Rooted" compared to them, I should have said! I'm not a fan either. I mentioned how many books about Zemmour I saw the other week, but there were loads about Hidalgo too. Or at least there were at Auchan in Lille! You were in Auchan Faches and didn't come for a drink ?  (Or maybe Englos or V2 ?)
I was in Faches-Thumesnil all day for a NGO.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 8, 2021 22:00:49 GMT
"Rooted" compared to them, I should have said! I'm not a fan either. I mentioned how many books about Zemmour I saw the other week, but there were loads about Hidalgo too. Or at least there were at Auchan in Lille! You were in Auchan Faches and didn't come for a drink ? (Or maybe Englos or V2 ?)
I was in Faches-Thumesnil all day for a NGO.
Ah, it was Englos! But I have been to Faches-Thumesnil for work reasons in the past. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 8, 2021 22:16:07 GMT
Looking at Le Figaro, it appears that Hidalgo had indeed suggested a unified left candidate today! Unsurprisingly this resulted in:
1. Fabien Roussel of the PCF (always makes me think of Cedric Roussel who used to play for Coventry City) and J-LM have laughed at the idea.
2. Arnaud Montebourg has agreed but suggests that they just make him the joint candidate. Predictably.
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Post by relique on Dec 8, 2021 22:40:00 GMT
Looking at Le Figaro, it appears that Hidalgo had indeed suggested a unified left candidate today! Unsurprisingly this resulted in: 1. Fabien Roussel of the PCF (always makes me think of Cedric Roussel who used to play for Coventry City) and J-LM have laughed at the idea. 2. Arnaud Montebourg has agreed but suggests that they just make him the joint candidate. Predictably. Montebourg didn't.
He suggested the five left-wing candidates try and build a political platform. Chosing a candidate comes after, and he said if the platforms is found, there can be someone else as the candidate.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 8, 2021 22:48:26 GMT
Looking at Le Figaro, it appears that Hidalgo had indeed suggested a unified left candidate today! Unsurprisingly this resulted in: 1. Fabien Roussel of the PCF (always makes me think of Cedric Roussel who used to play for Coventry City) and J-LM have laughed at the idea. 2. Arnaud Montebourg has agreed but suggests that they just make him the joint candidate. Predictably. Montebourg didn't.
He suggested the five left-wing candidates try and build a political platform. Chosing a candidate comes after, and he said if the platforms is found, there can be someone else as the candidate.
Ah- you're quite right. The wording in Le Figaro said he was prepared to offer himself as the candidate and missed the rest of his comments! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 1:08:02 GMT
Will there be a serious fall out if the left combine for enough votes to qualify for second round but miss out due to a split in the vote?
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 9, 2021 7:33:51 GMT
Will there be a serious fall out if the left combine for enough votes to qualify for second round but miss out due to a split in the vote? For sure. But the quarrels, whose fault it was, will divide them even more... |
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(Or maybe Englos or V2 ?)