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Post by boogieeck on Oct 6, 2021 17:27:52 GMT
Wrong-way round. Will all his votes transfer to her?
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Post by relique on Oct 6, 2021 17:33:07 GMT
Wrong-way round. Will all his votes transfer to her? That's less sure. Not that they would go to Macron.
What his rise in the polls indicates, to me, is not his "destiny" to become PR or even in the second round. What's new is the fragility of the Le Pen candidacy. She will be weakened by this, even if Zemmour goes down afterwards.
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Post by boogieeck on Oct 6, 2021 17:36:27 GMT
Does it not make her look comparatively moderate to centre-right voters? While not harming her hard or even far-right credentials in the second round?
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Post by relique on Oct 6, 2021 18:19:40 GMT
Does it not make her look comparatively moderate to centre-right voters? While not harming her hard or even far-right credentials in the second round?
That might be a little too theoretical for me, but I don't think so. But the campaign will be long. She hasn't done much for now and doesn't appear so much in the media. We'll see what she says once during the campaign. I don't think she will be seen as "moderate".
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 7, 2021 9:21:41 GMT
I should imagine that there's a non-negligible section of the French far-right that would be disinclined to vote for a Jew ?
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Post by relique on Oct 7, 2021 9:48:11 GMT
I should imagine that there's a non-negligible section of the French far-right that would be disinclined to vote for a Jew ? If the Jew said Vichy wasn't so bad, they will probably not mind. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 7, 2021 20:27:54 GMT
Zemmour polling well runs the risk of some real tosser from the PAF (the world of French television and radio celebrity) running next time. Either seriously or as a "hilarious" jape.
If Macron can do it, and Zemmour who is stronger meat can appeal too, someone will fancy their chances. At least two people spring to mind.
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Post by David on Oct 16, 2021 0:39:36 GMT
Marine Le Pen visited ethnic housing estates yesterday which have been plagued by gang wars between rival ethnic minority drug dealing gangs. France is in real trouble on that front. Then she went to the copshop in Cavaillon. I think that this is her shedding part of her moderation campaign to take on Éric Zemmour, I don't think it'll work though. As we know, he isn't even a candidate, yet he's beating her in several polls already.
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Post by maxque on Oct 16, 2021 10:09:10 GMT
Marine Le Pen visited ethnic housing estates yesterday which have been plagued by gang wars between rival ethnic minority drug dealing gangs. France is in real trouble on that front. Then she went to the copshop in Cavaillon. I think that this is her shedding part of her moderation campaign to take on Éric Zemmour, I don't think it'll work though. As we know, he isn't even a candidate, yet he's beating her in several polls already. It is no wonder the area is controlled by drug gangs, just by the look of that building, you can tell the State has given up on that area pretty much as soon it was built. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 16, 2021 10:11:42 GMT
Zemmour could yet be a bubble that bursts well before next spring.
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Post by jollyroger93 on Oct 16, 2021 10:14:13 GMT
Marine Le Pen visited ethnic housing estates yesterday which have been plagued by gang wars between rival ethnic minority drug dealing gangs. France is in real trouble on that front. Then she went to the copshop in Cavaillon. I think that this is her shedding part of her moderation campaign to take on Éric Zemmour, I don't think it'll work though. As we know, he isn't even a candidate, yet he's beating her in several polls already. It’s actually very clever of her, the election is next year and she’s attempting to pin down zemmours numbers. Good politics if you ask me. |
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Post by David on Oct 16, 2021 10:28:57 GMT
Zemmour could yet be a bubble that bursts well before next spring. It's possible, but Le Pen is part of the establishment now. I think that weakens her in some eyes, and hence why Zemmour is doing so well when he's not even running. I could forsee some gaffes though. |
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Post by European Lefty on Oct 16, 2021 12:14:52 GMT
Zemmour is doing well because of the press coverage he gets which is in part down to the "will he, won't he" factor. When the campaign proper starts and the candidates are known he will probably drop back if not collapse entirely
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Post by jollyroger93 on Oct 16, 2021 12:31:33 GMT
Zemmour could yet be a bubble that bursts well before next spring. It's possible, but Le Pen is part of the establishment now. I think that weakens her in some eyes, and hence why Zemmour is doing so well when he's not even running. I could forsee some gaffes though. Le Pen is not establishment, her family is that’s the problem, it’s her family name and her father which is mostly off putting to about 50% of the French electorate, and no amount of rebranding will erase the Front Nationale |
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Post by David on Oct 23, 2021 16:12:28 GMT
Eric Zemmour has described us as France's "greatest enemies for a thousand years" while invoking Joan of Arc, bit rich considering we're helping clean up France's mess after they cut and ran from Mali, and described the D-Day landings, in which thousands of British and American soldiers and hundreds of Canadians gave their lives to liberate Zemmour's country, as a "liberation, but also occupation and colonisation by the Americans". He also proudly invoked Napoleon and says he rues the day when we stopped the French from "conquering" the continent. Hilariously of course, France was finished by Waterloo. They would not have conquered Europe had they triumphed, merely delayed the inevitable.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 23, 2021 16:41:16 GMT
Eric Zemmour has described us as France's "greatest enemies for a thousand years" while invoking Joan of Arc, bit rich considering we're helping clean up France's mess after they cut and ran from Mali, and described the D-Day landings, in which thousands of British and American soldiers and hundreds of Canadians gave their lives to liberate Zemmour's country, as a "liberation, but also occupation and colonisation by the Americans". He also proudly invoked Napoleon and says he rues the day when we stopped the French from "conquering" the continent. Hilariously of course, France was finished by Waterloo. They would not have conquered Europe had they triumphed, merely delayed the inevitable. And this is his niche in the French media: being outrageous. He's one of several, and probably not even close to the most dislikeable (being a contrarian or having a short fuse can get you serious telly work in most places of course). He's also trolling the Le Pens, father and daughter. He knows he can say stuff that MLP wouldn't dare to, and that the dad couldn't get away with. But the mainstream French centre-right should be somewhat embarrassed that they are still fannying around and being outflanked by a bloke off the radio. |
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Post by relique on Oct 23, 2021 21:41:12 GMT
Eric Zemmour has described us as France's "greatest enemies for a thousand years" while invoking Joan of Arc, bit rich considering we're helping clean up France's mess after they cut and ran from Mali, and described the D-Day landings, in which thousands of British and American soldiers and hundreds of Canadians gave their lives to liberate Zemmour's country, as a "liberation, but also occupation and colonisation by the Americans". He also proudly invoked Napoleon and says he rues the day when we stopped the French from "conquering" the continent. Hilariously of course, France was finished by Waterloo. They would not have conquered Europe had they triumphed, merely delayed the inevitable. Well, he's a joke. Not a funny one, really. But still. Your problem isn't Zemmour, of course. Your problem is that you have the same, symmetrical, types of arguments. And they really are a joke too. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 24, 2021 2:15:23 GMT
Eric Zemmour has described us as France's "greatest enemies for a thousand years" while invoking Joan of Arc, bit rich considering we're helping clean up France's mess after they cut and ran from Mali, and described the D-Day landings, in which thousands of British and American soldiers and hundreds of Canadians gave their lives to liberate Zemmour's country, as a "liberation, but also occupation and colonisation by the Americans". He also proudly invoked Napoleon and says he rues the day when we stopped the French from "conquering" the continent. Hilariously of course, France was finished by Waterloo. They would not have conquered Europe had they triumphed, merely delayed the inevitable. Does Zemmour really believe this, or is it just electioneering? |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 24, 2021 10:15:41 GMT
Of course he can't really believe all of it, unless he has gone full Trump/Johnson and adopted the mindset that the truth is whatever he says it is.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 24, 2021 10:28:06 GMT
On the subject of the Establishment, Zemmour winning would continue the run whereby every president from Mitterrand onwards had attended the Sciences Po.
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