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Post by jollyroger93 on Oct 16, 2021 10:14:13 GMT
Marine Le Pen visited ethnic housing estates yesterday which have been plagued by gang wars between rival ethnic minority drug dealing gangs. France is in real trouble on that front. Then she went to the copshop in Cavaillon. I think that this is her shedding part of her moderation campaign to take on Éric Zemmour, I don't think it'll work though. As we know, he isn't even a candidate, yet he's beating her in several polls already. It’s actually very clever of her, the election is next year and she’s attempting to pin down zemmours numbers. Good politics if you ask me. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 16, 2021 10:28:57 GMT
Zemmour could yet be a bubble that bursts well before next spring. It's possible, but Le Pen is part of the establishment now. I think that weakens her in some eyes, and hence why Zemmour is doing so well when he's not even running. I could forsee some gaffes though. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 12:14:52 GMT
Zemmour is doing well because of the press coverage he gets which is in part down to the "will he, won't he" factor. When the campaign proper starts and the candidates are known he will probably drop back if not collapse entirely
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Post by jollyroger93 on Oct 16, 2021 12:31:33 GMT
Zemmour could yet be a bubble that bursts well before next spring. It's possible, but Le Pen is part of the establishment now. I think that weakens her in some eyes, and hence why Zemmour is doing so well when he's not even running. I could forsee some gaffes though. Le Pen is not establishment, her family is that’s the problem, it’s her family name and her father which is mostly off putting to about 50% of the French electorate, and no amount of rebranding will erase the Front Nationale |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 23, 2021 16:12:28 GMT
Eric Zemmour has described us as France's "greatest enemies for a thousand years" while invoking Joan of Arc, bit rich considering we're helping clean up France's mess after they cut and ran from Mali, and described the D-Day landings, in which thousands of British and American soldiers and hundreds of Canadians gave their lives to liberate Zemmour's country, as a "liberation, but also occupation and colonisation by the Americans". He also proudly invoked Napoleon and says he rues the day when we stopped the French from "conquering" the continent. Hilariously of course, France was finished by Waterloo. They would not have conquered Europe had they triumphed, merely delayed the inevitable.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 23, 2021 16:41:16 GMT
Eric Zemmour has described us as France's "greatest enemies for a thousand years" while invoking Joan of Arc, bit rich considering we're helping clean up France's mess after they cut and ran from Mali, and described the D-Day landings, in which thousands of British and American soldiers and hundreds of Canadians gave their lives to liberate Zemmour's country, as a "liberation, but also occupation and colonisation by the Americans". He also proudly invoked Napoleon and says he rues the day when we stopped the French from "conquering" the continent. Hilariously of course, France was finished by Waterloo. They would not have conquered Europe had they triumphed, merely delayed the inevitable. And this is his niche in the French media: being outrageous. He's one of several, and probably not even close to the most dislikeable (being a contrarian or having a short fuse can get you serious telly work in most places of course). He's also trolling the Le Pens, father and daughter. He knows he can say stuff that MLP wouldn't dare to, and that the dad couldn't get away with. But the mainstream French centre-right should be somewhat embarrassed that they are still fannying around and being outflanked by a bloke off the radio. |
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Post by relique on Oct 23, 2021 21:41:12 GMT
Eric Zemmour has described us as France's "greatest enemies for a thousand years" while invoking Joan of Arc, bit rich considering we're helping clean up France's mess after they cut and ran from Mali, and described the D-Day landings, in which thousands of British and American soldiers and hundreds of Canadians gave their lives to liberate Zemmour's country, as a "liberation, but also occupation and colonisation by the Americans". He also proudly invoked Napoleon and says he rues the day when we stopped the French from "conquering" the continent. Hilariously of course, France was finished by Waterloo. They would not have conquered Europe had they triumphed, merely delayed the inevitable. Well, he's a joke. Not a funny one, really. But still. Your problem isn't Zemmour, of course. Your problem is that you have the same, symmetrical, types of arguments. And they really are a joke too. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 24, 2021 2:15:23 GMT
Eric Zemmour has described us as France's "greatest enemies for a thousand years" while invoking Joan of Arc, bit rich considering we're helping clean up France's mess after they cut and ran from Mali, and described the D-Day landings, in which thousands of British and American soldiers and hundreds of Canadians gave their lives to liberate Zemmour's country, as a "liberation, but also occupation and colonisation by the Americans". He also proudly invoked Napoleon and says he rues the day when we stopped the French from "conquering" the continent. Hilariously of course, France was finished by Waterloo. They would not have conquered Europe had they triumphed, merely delayed the inevitable. Does Zemmour really believe this, or is it just electioneering? |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 24, 2021 10:15:41 GMT
Of course he can't really believe all of it, unless he has gone full Trump/Johnson and adopted the mindset that the truth is whatever he says it is.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 24, 2021 10:28:06 GMT
On the subject of the Establishment, Zemmour winning would continue the run whereby every president from Mitterrand onwards had attended the Sciences Po.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 24, 2021 13:49:12 GMT
Of course he can't really believe all of it, unless he has gone full Trump/Johnson and adopted the mindset that the truth is whatever he says it is. Unfair to tie Trump and Johnson. Johnson believes in himself. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 15:06:35 GMT
Johnson is a more successful politician (much to some peoples' ire), partly because he is not a Trump.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 24, 2021 15:23:44 GMT
Johnson is a more successful politician (much to some peoples' ire), partly because he is not a Trump. Indeed. Also, it does seem, and perhaps I'm misjudging people here, but that any appeal to working class people, especially on a vaguely conservative prospectus, is deemed populism and Trump-like. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 16:10:47 GMT
Johnson is a more successful politician (much to some peoples' ire), partly because he is not a Trump. Indeed. Also, it does seem, and perhaps I'm misjudging people here, but that any appeal to working class people, especially on a vaguely conservative prospectus, is deemed populism and Trump-like. Well quite. The wool has been pulled over these poor souls’ eyes. If only they would listen to the people who know what’s good for them. But to be fair I think we’ve strayed off topic  |
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Post by connor on Oct 24, 2021 19:27:56 GMT
Oh god, Zemmour's gonna go head to head with Macron isn't he. No doubt he'll find his crowd and head for the top office with them on his back.
Out of the two, I'll take Le Pen any day because at least I see where she's coming from, I just wholeheartedly disagree with her stance.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 24, 2021 20:22:12 GMT
The joker in the pack here is Vincent Bolloré, who runs Vivendi and is essentially Zemmour's boss in his day job. If he throws his weight behind Zemmour, then he has a chance. But if Bolloré goes off past form and backs a standard Gaullist (he is a mate of Sarko), who knows? Xavier Bertrand is still polling well in those same polls that show Zemmour in second. Neither is a confirmed candidate.
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Post by maxque on Oct 24, 2021 20:33:16 GMT
The joker in the pack here is Vincent Bolloré, who runs Vivendi and is essentially Zemmour's boss in his day job. If he throws his weight behind Zemmour, then he has a chance. But if Bolloré goes off past form and backs a standard Gaullist (he is a mate of Sarko), who knows? Xavier Bertrand is still polling well in those same polls that show Zemmour in second. Neither is a confirmed candidate. The rumour I've heard is that Bolloré's price is privatisation of the French government channels (France 2, 3...), under terms that would allow him to buy some of them. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 24, 2021 20:43:19 GMT
The joker in the pack here is Vincent Bolloré, who runs Vivendi and is essentially Zemmour's boss in his day job. If he throws his weight behind Zemmour, then he has a chance. But if Bolloré goes off past form and backs a standard Gaullist (he is a mate of Sarko), who knows? Xavier Bertrand is still polling well in those same polls that show Zemmour in second. Neither is a confirmed candidate. The rumour I've heard is that Bolloré's price is privatisation of the French government channels (France 2, 3...), under terms that would allow him to buy some of them. The FT is the only UK newspaper that appears to have picked up on the Bolloré angle so far. Which is odd, as Vivendi used to be a staple of reporting on French stories. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 24, 2021 22:48:06 GMT
Of course he can't really believe all of it, unless he has gone full Trump/Johnson and adopted the mindset that the truth is whatever he says it is. Blimey, we don't often see LBJ mentioned on here |
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Post by neilm on Oct 24, 2021 22:50:41 GMT
The rumour I've heard is that Bolloré's price is privatisation of the French government channels (France 2, 3...), under terms that would allow him to buy some of them. The FT is the only UK newspaper that appears to have picked up on the Bolloré angle so far. Which is odd, as Vivendi used to be a staple of reporting on French stories. The most astonishing thing in yesterday's article is that Paris Match sells 550k copies a week. |
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