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Post by xenon on Apr 24, 2022 20:21:46 GMT
Thoughts and prayers for the following at this most difficult time: The New York Times; The Spectator; The Dailies - Telegraph, Express and Mail and the BBC. Since when did the BBC support Marine Le Pen? Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 20:21:57 GMT
The highest Hitler ever got was 37%. Le Pen got 41...
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Post by willpower3 on Apr 24, 2022 20:22:31 GMT
Boring. Predictable.
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Post by Strontium Dog on Apr 24, 2022 20:24:11 GMT
Do they just not teach WWII in French schools or something?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 24, 2022 20:28:00 GMT
Thoughts and prayers for the following at this most difficult time: The New York Times; The Spectator; The Dailies - Telegraph, Express and Mail and the BBC. Since when did the BBC support Marine Le Pen? Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick? I took it as a reference to the way that, every four years, the BBC (and others) talk up the possibility of a "far right" candidate winning the presidency. And the failure of said "far right" candidate to win the presidency doesn't stop them repeating the process. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Apr 24, 2022 20:32:49 GMT
Since when did the BBC support Marine Le Pen? Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick? I took it as a reference to the way that, every four years, the BBC (and others) talk up the possibility of a "far right" candidate winning the presidency. And the failure of said "far right" candidate to win the presidency doesn't stop them repeating the process. When independent opinion polls were putting her on 49% just a couple of weeks ago it's hardly talking up the possibility of it happening IMO. |
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Post by neilm on Apr 24, 2022 20:33:51 GMT
Annoyingly the Interior Ministry page shows no second round results, either by commune or department.
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Post by mattbewilson on Apr 24, 2022 20:36:55 GMT
Why does everything always resort to the Nazis
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 24, 2022 20:52:43 GMT
Why does everything always resort to the Nazis Godwin's law obvs. |
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Post by neilm on Apr 24, 2022 21:06:18 GMT
Why does everything always resort to the Nazis In this case, because the French are (and were) a lot keener on them then they like to admit. But also, in this case, because Strontium Dog has a bee in his bonnet about fascism, real and imagined. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 21:21:29 GMT
Is there anywhere that gives the French Abroad vote broken down by country of residence?
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Post by Strontium Dog on Apr 24, 2022 21:23:17 GMT
Evidently I imagined a party founded by a neo-Nazi with a conviction for Holocaust denial scoring 42% in an election.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 24, 2022 21:29:26 GMT
Why does everything always resort to the Nazis In this case, because the French are (and were) a lot keener on them then they like to admit. But also, in this case, because Strontium Dog has a bee in his bonnet about fascism, real and imagined. WW2 isn't even really relevant to why the RN, Zemmour etc exist. There's no Vichy regime hiding in the bushes. But there are all sorts of threads involved: classic French fascism, Catholic reaction, the pieds-noirs and their descendants, angry and marginalised small-town France, places that used to vote Commie and now vote fash, and pure protest. If there's a war that is relevant to far-right voting patterns in France, it probably isn't the Second World War. It is the Algerian War, and arguably the Cold War too. Both of their aftermath have changed voting patterns and in the case of the former whole demographics and entire cities. The most virulent fascists in Vichy were the technocrat, renegade members of the socialist parties. Which, ironically, describes Manu quite well! |
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Post by johnloony on Apr 24, 2022 21:37:56 GMT
As I understand it, Macron started off as a centrist but then evolved to governing as a right-wing administrator (a bit like David Cameron).
Le Pen is the approximate equivalent of Farage, Lawrence Fox, UKIP etc.
So I am wondering how the French presidential election result is distributed geographically. It’s a bit like a UK general election in which each constituency has candidates from only Conservative and UKIP. What happens in the big cities? What happens in depressed areas which, 20 or 40 years ago, would have routinely voted Socialist (or even Communist)?
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Post by aargauer on Apr 24, 2022 21:40:00 GMT
Evidently I imagined a party founded by a neo-Nazi with a conviction for Holocaust denial scoring 42% in an election. Parties do move over time. Your lot aren't trying to decapitate the king anymore. The SNP are an offshoot of the Conservative Party. Clearly there's been a significant movement towards being a US Republican style hard right party rather than an out and out BNP style racial nationalism. I don't like Le Pens politics but she was always going to get a reasonable figure against a divisive incumbent. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Apr 24, 2022 22:55:35 GMT
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Post by jamie on Apr 24, 2022 23:17:47 GMT
Clearly there's been a significant movement towards being a US Republican style hard right party rather than an out and out BNP style racial nationalism. Tbh Zemmour would probably (still imperfectly) fit this mold better than Le Pen. She isn’t remotely a religious conservative and has downplayed + moderated her stances on immigration and nationalism (though obviously they’re still conservative and the rest of the party more so). Her economic policies are all over the place, but certainly not free market or even very Poujadist. There’s better comparisons elsewhere in Europe, but really Le Pen and the National Front are not easily comparable to other political parties (and neither are the US Republicans). |
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Post by Andrew_S on Apr 24, 2022 23:34:41 GMT
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Post by minionofmidas on Apr 25, 2022 3:32:53 GMT
So, do the #FBPE members of the forum believe that 42% of the French people voted for a far-right candidate or do they believe that the BBC are a bunch of lying twunts? Or both? And yes, it really is that simple why would anybody disagree with either proposition? (41% of valid voters, 27% of the French people, but nvm that now.) |
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Post by minionofmidas on Apr 25, 2022 3:55:36 GMT
lmao the little creep is actually the first President reelected despite having a majority in parliament since de Gaulle.
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