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Post by andrewp on Sept 10, 2021 14:46:28 GMT
It may not come as a complete surprise to anyone who knows the Isles of Scilly, but there are several really common family names in the Islands, so there have been occasions where 4 or 5 of the 21-25 councillors have had the same surname
Between 1969-70, there were 4 Mumfords, Tregarthen, Bill, Barry and Rosamund on the council. Tregarthen and Bill were cousins, Barry was Rosamunds son,. The 2 families were distantly related.
Since then Tregarthen’s son Clive and Bill’s son Dudley have both been councillors, and Clive wife Avril is currently a councillor.
Between 1985-89, there were 4 Councillor Hicks, Joe, John, Mike and Cyril. John and Mike were cousins, Joe was their Uncle and Cyril was very distantly related,
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 10, 2021 14:47:58 GMT
Sefton used to have two councillors called Daniel Lewis.
One Labour - known as Dan - the other Liberal Democrat
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 10, 2021 14:53:29 GMT
In 1958 Margate Borough Council issued a challenge to find a council that could beat their record of having multiple councillors with the same name, in their case Cllr Thomas x 2 Cllr Perkins x 2 Cllr Ward x 2 A giant 3ft stick of Margate rock was offered as a prize, to be sent to the childrens ward of any council that could do better. The prize was claimed by Crawley UDC who had Cllr Pegler x 2 Cllr Jones x 2 Cllr Crane x 3 However it appears that the large stick of Margate rock may have gone to the wrong place, as it was reported in 1954 that Tynemouth council had :
Ald R T Smith Cllr J Smith
Ald A N Park Cllr G Park
Ald J Lisle Cllr G W Lisle
Cllr L G Dolby Cllr Mrs E R Dolby
It was noticed that Cllr J Taylor of Dockwray ward was possibly about to be joined by Mr J D Taylor, who was standing for election in the same ward. *
* I'll see if I can find out if he succeeded.
It was a squeaker though, Taylor , who was a milkman standing for Labour was beaten by the sitting 'Independent' Cllr, Mr JW Hogg by six votes. A re-count produced the same margin. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 10, 2021 15:04:48 GMT
In August 1930 Alderman G Clarke of Chesterfield read his own obituary in the press. It turned out that it was Alderman G Clark of Rotherham who had actually passed away.
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 10, 2021 15:14:18 GMT
Astonishing in South Tyneside's only Con-Lab marginal ward. I know the team there well. They did good. Especially as the same seat is now up again in May. No! No!! No it is not "They did good" which is very poor English. It should be 'They done good'. |
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Post by peterl on Sept 10, 2021 15:21:28 GMT
I know the team there well. They did good. Especially as the same seat is now up again in May. No! No!! No it is not "They did good" which is very poor English. It should be 'They done good'. Or even "They did well".  |
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Post by owainsutton on Sept 10, 2021 15:23:09 GMT
"'He can do it as good as any one else can,' is sometimes said instead of, 'He can do it as well as any one else can.' A person cannot do a thing good. The proper word to use is well."
— Richard Bache Meade, Vulgarisms and Other Errors of Speech, 1868
Maybe it's time to let it go?
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Post by owainsutton on Sept 10, 2021 15:27:06 GMT
In 1958 Margate Borough Council issued a challenge to find a council that could beat their record of having multiple councillors with the same name, in their case Cllr Thomas x 2 Cllr Perkins x 2 Cllr Ward x 2 A giant 3ft stick of Margate rock was offered as a prize, to be sent to the childrens ward of any council that could do better. The prize was claimed by Crawley UDC who had Cllr Pegler x 2 Cllr Jones x 2 Cllr Crane x 3 Trafford, in recent years, had Cllr Young x 2 (husband & wife) Cllr Evans x 2 (husband & wife) Cllr Western x 2 (mother & son) |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 10, 2021 15:34:01 GMT
I am intrigued by the earlier discussion about identifying councillors who share a surname by reason of being married to one another. Back in the last century (and how it feels like that now) we were in that situation as the two Cllrs English and I'm afraid we were distinguished by Cllr Mister, and Cllr Mrs, and not by Cllr Geoff and Cllr Eileen. And of course Eileen had been the sole Cllr English for 8 years before I appeared on the scene. I can see a possible argument if only married couples were possessed of first names, so the answer to that might have been to make first names available to all councillors. I don't think we had a problem otherwise with surnames, but at group level and being less formal there, we had a real problem with first names with 6 Bobs in a group of say 15.
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Post by mrhell on Sept 10, 2021 16:15:31 GMT
Slightly unleaded but one of our former councillors was called Neil Hamilton and had a wife called Christine.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 10, 2021 16:35:16 GMT
During the John Major premiership there were two Labour councillors called John Major (one in Hillingdon, the other in Barrow-in-Furness). There used to be a Conservative GLC councillor called John Rievely Major who Central Office managed to confuse with the future PM. |
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Post by middleenglander on Sept 10, 2021 16:58:13 GMT
We havent had the tables up tonight? Come on South Derbyshire I want to go to bed Been on holiday, just returned. Will post in the next couple of days |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 10, 2021 20:12:35 GMT
In Croydon the councillors are simply referred to as “Councillor Surname”. If 2 or more councillors have the same surname, they are “Councillor Firstname Surname”. When Councillor Gerry Ryan died in 2015, Councillor Pat Ryan (who is much older) became Councillor Ryan.
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Post by peter on Sept 10, 2021 20:28:17 GMT
The very first Tower Hamlets Council had Alderman John Orwell (Bethnal Green) and Alderman John Orwell (Stepney). Bethnal Green was Mayor 1966-67 and Stepney Mayor in 1970-71
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Post by sjorford on Sept 10, 2021 21:19:47 GMT
Chris(topher) Elmer ran for election in Elmbridge in 2018, hoping to join his wife Chris(tine) Elmer on the council, but sadly was unsuccessful
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Post by middleenglander on Sept 10, 2021 23:46:52 GMT
Newcastle-upon-Tyne: Castle - Liberal Democrat hold | Party | 2021 B votes | 2021 B share | since 2021 | since 2019 | since 2018 "top" | since 2018 "average" | | Liberal Democrat | 1,306 | 42.5% | +1.4% | +8.4% | +1.2% | +2.8% | | Labour | 773 | 25.1% | -2.5% | -4.6% | -1.4% | -4.0% | | Conservative | 657 | 21.4% | +1.6% | +9.0% | +6.8% | +5.4% | | Green | 250 | 8.1% | +2.8% | +2.2% | +1.0% | +0.1% | | North East | 89 | 2.9% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Independent(s) |
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| 86% | 97% | 90% | 101% |
Swing: Labour to Liberal Democrat 2% since May, 6½% since 2019 and 1¼% / 3½% since 2018 all out elections Council now: 52 Labour, 20 Liberal Democrat, 3 Newcastle Independent, 3 Independent North East Derbyshire: Barlow & Holmesfield - Conservative hold | Party | 2021 votes | 2021 share | since 2019 | since 2015 | since 2011 | | Conservative | 294 | 69.0% | +3.8% | +9.7% | -3.7% | | Labour | 90 | 21.1% | -0.4% | -2.5% | -6.2% | | Liberal Democrat | 42 | 9.9% | -3.4% | from nowhere | from nowhere | | UKIP |
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Swing: Labour to Conservative 2% since 2019, 6% since 2015 and 1¼% since 2011 Council now: 30 Conservative, 18 Labour, 3 Liberal Democrat, 2 Independent North East Derbyshire: Killamarsh East - Labour gain from Conservative| Party | 2021 B2 votes | 2021 B2 share | since 2021 B1 | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Labour | 291 | 49.9% | +10.9% | +2.7% | +1.6% | -17.6% | -17.6% | | Conservative | 251 | 43.1% | -13.4% | -9.8% | -8.6% | +10.6% | +10.4% | | Liberal Democrat | 41 | 7.0% | +2.5% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Total votes | 583 |
| 63% | 78% | 80% | 38% | 38% |
Swing: Conservative to Labour 12¼% since May, 6¼% / 5% since 2019 but Labour to Conservative 14% since 2015 Council now: 30 Conservative, 18 Labour, 3 Liberal Democrat, 2 Independent North Tyneside: Camperdown - Labour hold | Party | 2021 B votes | 2021 B share | since 2021 | since 2019 | since 2018 | since 2016 | | Labour | 957 | 66.7% | -1.2% | +7.2% | -1.4% | +8.1% | | Conservative | 352 | 24.5% | -7.6% | +6.5% | -7.4% | +14.9% | | Green | 78 | 5.4% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Liberal Democrat | 48 | 3.3% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | UKIP |
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Swing: Conservative to Labour 3½% since May, less than ½% since 2019 but 3% Labour to Conservative since 2018 Council now: 51 Labour, 9 Conservative South Derbyshire, Seale - Independent retains seat formerly won as Conservative
| Party | 2021 B2 votes | 2021 B2 share | since 2021 B | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Independent Wheelton * | 399 | 39.7% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Conservative | 390 | 38.8% | -28.2% | -11.8% | -13.5% | -6.5% | -7.0% | | Labour | 188 | 18.7% | -14.3% | -11.6% | -9.1% | -14.5% | -13.7% | | Green | 27 | 2.7% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Social Democrat |
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* elected as Conservative councillor in 2019 Swing: not meaningful Council now: 15 Conservative, 15 Labour, 6 Independent (all elected as Conservative in 2019) South Tyneside: Cleadon & East Bolden - Conservative hold | Party | 2021 B votes | 2021 B share | since 2021 | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2018 | since 2016 | | Conservative | 989 | 35.1% | -12.9% | +11.1% | +11.8% | -13.5% | -9.7% | | Green | 943 | 33.5% | +20.6% | +23.1% | +21.8% | +22.4% | +24.2% | | Labour | 886 | 31.4% | -5.9% | -11.7% | -10.6% | -8.9% | -14.4% | | Reform |
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Swing: Conservative to Green 16¾% since May, 6% / 5% since 2019, 18% since 2018 and 17% since 2016 but also Labour to Green 13¼% since May, 17½% / 16¼% since 2019, 15½% since 2018 and 19¼% since 2016 Council now: 44 Labour, 5 Independent Group, 3 Green, 2 Conservative
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Post by tim13 on Sept 11, 2021 13:21:03 GMT
In the period following May 2003, Exmouth Town Council had at least:
Cllr Mitchell Jean and Malcolm, married couple
Cllr Taylor, Brenda and John, married couple
Cllr Toye Brian and Andrew, father and son
Cllr Wragg, Eileen and Steve, married couple
I believe Cllr Bansey, Chris and Kath, married couple were also there at that point!
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