Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 10, 2021 11:35:51 GMT
And older, white men are the norm (though there was a Labour woman leader about 15 years ago). Like Stoneybridge Town Council, maybe?
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Post by matureleft on Sept 10, 2021 11:50:45 GMT
And older, white men are the norm (though there was a Labour woman leader about 15 years ago). Like Stoneybridge Town Council, maybe?
I've missed that. From what I can tell, no. The council was never prone to grandiose claims or ambitions. Very "local". |
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Post by andrewp on Sept 10, 2021 11:59:57 GMT
Assuming that she did win she's got some opinions. www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/leadership-white-old-male-says-5045445It's rather pointed that she only has regard for 3 of the men pictured. The local Tories are very fractious and I'd have a strong bet that the Tory is the one she doesn't respect. In my experience it's a pretty "officer" council with modest ideological differences 20 years ago, only slightly sharpened more recently. And older, white men are the norm (though there was a Labour woman leader about 15 years ago). Although interesting to note that unlike the rest of the ex Conservative Independents, she did not vote to elect the Labour council leader in January. She abstained on the Leader vote and voted for the Conservative nominee for Deputy Leader. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 10, 2021 12:22:39 GMT
Assuming that she did win she's got some opinions. www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/leadership-white-old-male-says-5045445It's rather pointed that she only has regard for 3 of the men pictured. The local Tories are very fractious and I'd have a strong bet that the Tory is the one she doesn't respect. In my experience it's a pretty "officer" council with modest ideological differences 20 years ago, only slightly sharpened more recently. And older, white men are the norm (though there was a Labour woman leader about 15 years ago). I note one of her complaints is that the Council refers to female members as "Councillor Mrs xxx" rather than as "Councillor xxx". Crewe & Nantwich stopped doing that 30 years ago; even Newcastle-under-Lyme has dropped it recently. I'm astonished that it's still being used anywhere. |
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peterl
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Post by peterl on Sept 10, 2021 12:26:16 GMT
Assuming that she did win she's got some opinions. www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/leadership-white-old-male-says-5045445It's rather pointed that she only has regard for 3 of the men pictured. The local Tories are very fractious and I'd have a strong bet that the Tory is the one she doesn't respect. In my experience it's a pretty "officer" council with modest ideological differences 20 years ago, only slightly sharpened more recently. And older, white men are the norm (though there was a Labour woman leader about 15 years ago). I note one of her complaints is that the Council refers to female members as "Councillor Mrs xxx" rather than as "Councillor xxx". Crewe & Nantwich stopped doing that 30 years ago; even Newcastle-under-Lyme has dropped it recently. I'm astonished that it's still being used anywhere. Ferndown was still doing that inside of the last five years, albeit a town council. I think it was mainly because of husband and wife councillor couples, which would have made just "Councillor Smith" confusing. |
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 10, 2021 12:41:49 GMT
I note one of her complaints is that the Council refers to female members as "Councillor Mrs xxx" rather than as "Councillor xxx". Crewe & Nantwich stopped doing that 30 years ago; even Newcastle-under-Lyme has dropped it recently. I'm astonished that it's still being used anywhere. Ferndown was still doing that inside of the last five years, albeit a town council. I think it was mainly because of husband and wife councillor couples, which would have made just "Councillor Smith" confusing. People have first names... It survives in a few very long held Tory councils. Interestingly some long-standing female councillors continue using the designation in communication even if the council has stopped the formal practice (I've only ever seen Conservatives do this though). |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 10, 2021 12:54:59 GMT
Ferndown was still doing that inside of the last five years, albeit a town council. I think it was mainly because of husband and wife councillor couples, which would have made just "Councillor Smith" confusing. People have first names... It survives in a few very long held Tory councils. Interestingly some long-standing female councillors continue using the designation in communication even if the council has stopped the formal practice (I've only ever seen Conservatives do this though). The "oh, but how would you distinguish husband & wife councillors" was rather undermined by the fact that as well as Cllr Roberts and Cllr Roberts (husband and wife) we also had a Cllr Roberts and a Cllr Roberts (unrelated to any other councillor of that surname). Curiously "Cllr Steve/ June/ Mick/ Alice Roberts" caused no confusion.  We seemed to fish in a small pool of names in C&N. We had a Cllr Kent, a Cllr Cooper, and a Cllr Kent-Cooper (and, yes, they were all related). At least three Cllr Jones (including a married couple). Two Cllrs Bratherton (both female, so "Mrs" wouldn't have helped there). And briefly we had two Robert Parkers! Fortunately one used Rob, the other Robert. Oh, and three Cllrs Minshall, though only two at any one time. However, Cllr J Minshall (1990 to 1994) was a different person to the Cllr J Minshall (1996ish onward). In fact, they were father and son. Don't envy future historians trying to record the membership of the council. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 10, 2021 12:56:21 GMT
Ferndown was still doing that inside of the last five years, albeit a town council. I think it was mainly because of husband and wife councillor couples, which would have made just "Councillor Smith" confusing. People have first names... It survives in a few very long held Tory councils. Interestingly some long-standing female councillors continue using the designation in communication even if the council has stopped the formal practice (I've only ever seen Conservatives do this though). Yes, elderly female Conservative Cllrs love doing it, even if the authority does not use that form of address. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 10, 2021 13:12:11 GMT
People have first names... It survives in a few very long held Tory councils. Interestingly some long-standing female councillors continue using the designation in communication even if the council has stopped the formal practice (I've only ever seen Conservatives do this though). Yes, elderly female Conservative Cllrs love doing it, even if the authority does not use that form of address. I've noted before how the former leader of RBKC who is now Baroness Hanham, was still referred to in council papers as "Councillor Mrs Iain Hanham". |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 10, 2021 13:14:51 GMT
Like Stoneybridge Town Council, maybe?
I've missed that. From what I can tell, no. The council was never prone to grandiose claims or ambitions. Very "local". They did bid for the Olympic Games. Main attraction: their own bus shelter. |
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 10, 2021 13:35:57 GMT
People have first names... It survives in a few very long held Tory councils. Interestingly some long-standing female councillors continue using the designation in communication even if the council has stopped the formal practice (I've only ever seen Conservatives do this though). The "oh, but how would you distinguish husband & wife councillors" was rather undermined by the fact that as well as Cllr Roberts and Cllr Roberts (husband and wife) we also had a Cllr Roberts and a Cllr Roberts (unrelated to any other councillor of that surname). Curiously "Cllr Steve/ June/ Mick/ Alice Roberts" caused no confusion. We seemed to fish in a small pool of names in C&N. We had a Cllr Kent, a Cllr Cooper, and a Cllr Kent-Cooper (and, yes, they were all related). At least three Cllr Jones (including a married couple). Two Cllrs Bratherton (both female, so "Mrs" wouldn't have helped there). And briefly we had two Robert Parkers! Fortunately one used Rob, the other Robert. Oh, and three Cllrs Minshall, though only two at any one time. However, Cllr J Minshall (1990 to 1994) was a different person to the Cllr J Minshall (1996ish onward). In fact, they were father and son. Don't envy future historians trying to record the membership of the council. Portsmouth has two Councillor Masons, and has had for 17 years. Completely unrelated and representing different parties and always known as Cllr Hugh Mason & Cllr Lee Mason when being referred to in papers and formal settings. Until May we had Councillors Rob & Tom Wood, same party, same ward, no relation! |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 10, 2021 13:41:59 GMT
The "oh, but how would you distinguish husband & wife councillors" was rather undermined by the fact that as well as Cllr Roberts and Cllr Roberts (husband and wife) we also had a Cllr Roberts and a Cllr Roberts (unrelated to any other councillor of that surname). Curiously "Cllr Steve/ June/ Mick/ Alice Roberts" caused no confusion. We seemed to fish in a small pool of names in C&N. We had a Cllr Kent, a Cllr Cooper, and a Cllr Kent-Cooper (and, yes, they were all related). At least three Cllr Jones (including a married couple). Two Cllrs Bratherton (both female, so "Mrs" wouldn't have helped there). And briefly we had two Robert Parkers! Fortunately one used Rob, the other Robert. Oh, and three Cllrs Minshall, though only two at any one time. However, Cllr J Minshall (1990 to 1994) was a different person to the Cllr J Minshall (1996ish onward). In fact, they were father and son. Don't envy future historians trying to record the membership of the council. Portsmouth has two Councillor Masons, and has had for 17 years. Completely unrelated and representing different parties and always known as Cllr Hugh Mason & Cllr Lee Mason when being referred to in papers and formal settings. Until May we had Councillors Rob & Tom Wood, same party, same ward, no relation! In 2002 in Addiscombe ward Croydon, the Peaople's Choice Party had 3 candidates, 2 of whom were Steve Collins. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 10, 2021 13:42:59 GMT
Westminster has had two councillors called David John Harvey - both representing essentially the same ward, but not at the same time.
Tower Hamlets used to have two Aldermen called John Orwell simultaneously.
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 10, 2021 13:51:05 GMT
People have first names... It survives in a few very long held Tory councils. Interestingly some long-standing female councillors continue using the designation in communication even if the council has stopped the formal practice (I've only ever seen Conservatives do this though). The "oh, but how would you distinguish husband & wife councillors" was rather undermined by the fact that as well as Cllr Roberts and Cllr Roberts (husband and wife) we also had a Cllr Roberts and a Cllr Roberts (unrelated to any other councillor of that surname). Curiously "Cllr Steve/ June/ Mick/ Alice Roberts" caused no confusion. We seemed to fish in a small pool of names in C&N. We had a Cllr Kent, a Cllr Cooper, and a Cllr Kent-Cooper (and, yes, they were all related). At least three Cllr Jones (including a married couple). Two Cllrs Bratherton (both female, so "Mrs" wouldn't have helped there). And briefly we had two Robert Parkers! Fortunately one used Rob, the other Robert. Oh, and three Cllrs Minshall, though only two at any one time. However, Cllr J Minshall (1990 to 1994) was a different person to the Cllr J Minshall (1996ish onward). In fact, they were father and son. Don't envy future historians trying to record the membership of the council. In 1919 Hoole Urban District Council had a long debate over how to differentiate between their two Cllrs who were both called William Williams.
It was eventually settled by the one being addressed with the addition of 'J.P.' reflecting his holding of that post.The other wanted to be identified as 'Labour' although as his counterpart pointed out, they were both Labour.
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 10, 2021 14:11:05 GMT
In 1958 Margate Borough Council issued a challenge to find a council that could beat their record of having multiple councillors with the same name, in their case
Cllr Thomas x 2
Cllr Perkins x 2
Cllr Ward x 2
A giant 3ft stick of Margate rock was offered as a prize, to be sent to the childrens ward of a hospital in any council that could do better. The prize was claimed by Crawley UDC who had
Cllr Pegler x 2
Cllr Jones x 2
Cllr Crane x 3
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Post by No Offence Alan on Sept 10, 2021 14:18:23 GMT
In 1958 Margate Borough Council issued a challenge to find a council that could beat their record of having multiple councillors with the same name, in their case Cllr Thomas x 2 Cllr Perkins x 2 Cllr Ward x 2 A giant 3ft stick of Margate rock was offered as a prize, to be sent to the childrens ward of any council that could do better. The prize was claimed by Crawley UDC who had Cllr Pegler x 2 Cllr Jones x 2 Cllr Crane x 3 |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 10, 2021 14:28:48 GMT
In 1958 Margate Borough Council issued a challenge to find a council that could beat their record of having multiple councillors with the same name, in their case Cllr Thomas x 2 Cllr Perkins x 2 Cllr Ward x 2 A giant 3ft stick of Margate rock was offered as a prize, to be sent to the childrens ward of any council that could do better. The prize was claimed by Crawley UDC who had Cllr Pegler x 2 Cllr Jones x 2 Cllr Crane x 3 However it appears that the large stick of Margate rock may have gone to the wrong place, as it was reported in 1954 that Tynemouth council had :
Ald R T Smith Cllr J Smith
Ald A N Park Cllr G Park
Ald J Lisle Cllr G W Lisle
Cllr L G Dolby Cllr Mrs E R Dolby
It was noticed that Cllr J Taylor of Dockwray ward was possibly about to be joined by Mr J D Taylor, who was standing for election in the same ward. *
* I'll see if I can find out if he succeeded.
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 10, 2021 14:31:42 GMT
In Kirklees we have Lib Dems Kath (Baroness) and Andrew Pinnock.
When I first moved here and looked at election results I noticed there is a Labour Councillor called Amanda Pinnock. I assumed she must be a rebel family member until I saw the photo..
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Sept 10, 2021 14:33:03 GMT
In 1958 Margate Borough Council issued a challenge to find a council that could beat their record of having multiple councillors with the same name, in their case Cllr Thomas x 2 Cllr Perkins x 2 Cllr Ward x 2 A giant 3ft stick of Margate rock was offered as a prize, to be sent to the childrens ward of any council that could do better. The prize was claimed by Crawley UDC who had Cllr Pegler x 2 Cllr Jones x 2 Cllr Crane x 3 However it appears that the large stick of Margate rock may have gone to the wrong place, as it was reported in 1954 that Tynemouth council had :
Ald R T Smith Cllr J Smith
Ald A N Park Cllr G Park
Ald J Lisle Cllr G W Lisle
Cllr L G Dolby Cllr Mrs E R Dolby
It was noticed that Cllr J Taylor of Dockwray ward was possibly about to be joined by Mr J D Taylor, who was standing for election in the same ward. *
* I'll see if I can find out if he succeeded.
Did they speak in stereo?
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 10, 2021 14:37:41 GMT
In Kirklees we have Lib Dems Kath (Baroness) and Andrew Pinnock. When I first moved here and looked at election results I noticed there is a Labour Councillor called Amanda Pinnock. I assumed she must be a rebel family member until I saw the photo.. Pinnock is a very common surname in Jamaica, for reasons I'm sure you can work out. |
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