|
Post by greenchristian on Nov 9, 2016 5:54:19 GMT
I can play anecdote bingo as well. Living and working in a very right of centre area at present everyone who has expressed any opinion at all on the US election has been horrified by the possibility of Trump winning. So what? They don't nullify the people I have met who support him so my point stands that it is absurd to claim that nobody supports him. The actual claim was that almost nobody in the UK supports Trump. Which is not the same as nobody.
|
|
|
Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 9, 2016 5:55:22 GMT
So what? They don't nullify the people I have met who support him so my point stands that it is absurd to claim that nobody supports him. The rummest thing of all to have happened tonight incidentally may be having my 'normality' called into question by you of all people I would say being an active member of a political party makes someone abnormal. No - it's unusual. Perhaps, it is not the norm so is abnormal in that literal sense, but I think it would be so only in the commonly understood meaning of the word if my social interactions were solely limited to other members of said political party which is not the case for me. Most of my day to day interactions are not with fellow members of UKIP - there aren't actually that many of them in my area!
|
|
|
Post by casualobserver on Nov 9, 2016 5:55:38 GMT
In PA Clinton now needs more than 60% of the remaining votes to win.
|
|
cj
Socialist
These fragments I have shored against my ruins
Posts: 3,283
|
Post by cj on Nov 9, 2016 5:55:43 GMT
I can play anecdote bingo as well. Living and working in a very right of centre area at present everyone who has expressed any opinion at all on the US election has been horrified by the possibility of Trump winning. So what? They don't nullify the people I have met who support him so my point stands that it is absurd to claim that nobody supports him. The rummest thing of all to have happened tonight incidentally may be having my 'normality' called into question by you of all people Yes but, thats because normal is a bullshit concept, we can all self affirm and fail to notice contra-wise but surely we can all agree normal is bullshit? (and that president Trump is a nightmare concept)
|
|
|
Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 9, 2016 5:55:57 GMT
So what? They don't nullify the people I have met who support him so my point stands that it is absurd to claim that nobody supports him. The actual claim was that almost nobody in the UK supports Trump. Which is not the same as nobody.
|
|
|
Post by Andrew_S on Nov 9, 2016 5:56:28 GMT
So what? They don't nullify the people I have met who support him so my point stands that it is absurd to claim that nobody supports him. The actual claim was that almost nobody in the UK supports Trump. Which is not the same as nobody. Are you talking numbers or percentages? Even if it's only 1% that's about half a million people.
|
|
|
Post by curiousliberal on Nov 9, 2016 5:57:24 GMT
I think WI has been called for Trump by some media, and I don't think there#s a path back. However, PA, NH, MN, ME and MI going for Clinton would make it 269-269. PA - Trump up by 26k votes with 7% left MI - Trump up by 34k with 25% left NH - Trump up by 800 with 20% left ME - Clinton up by 17k with 25% left MN - Clinton up by 90k with 23% left Detroit Free Press called MI for clinton ages ago, but might have retracted it? 269-269 is President Trump with a GOP majority House. If Clinton wins the popular vote, and Trump does not play nice with the Republican establishment (given how they've treated him, maybe they won't), there's a possibility that it's not President Trump after all - especially as the Senate result is going to be extremely close.
|
|
maxque
Non-Aligned
Posts: 9,250
|
Post by maxque on Nov 9, 2016 5:57:37 GMT
I would say being an active member of a political party makes someone abnormal. No - it's unusual. Perhaps, it is not the norm so is abnormal in that literal sense, but I think it would be so only in the commonly understood meaning of the word if my social interactions were solely limited to other members of said political party which is not the case for me. Most of my day to day interactions are not with fellow members of UKIP - there aren't actually that many of them in my area! I think normalcy is overrated and boring, so, I would say being abnormal is a quality. You're different from the masses, you're more unique.
|
|
|
Post by Andrew_S on Nov 9, 2016 5:57:51 GMT
I have tabs open with CNN and NBC results pages, but where are the details for the Maine & Nebraska districts? Neither lists them separately. I remember having exactly the same problem in 2012 and 2008 and was hoping they'd have the information on the results page this time but it seems they haven't. Still searching. Edit: found the Nebraska results on the Secretary of State's website. electionresults.sos.ne.gov/resultsSW.aspx?text=Race&type=PC&map=CTY
|
|
|
Post by casualobserver on Nov 9, 2016 5:58:20 GMT
Milwaukee County now over 99.8% declared. WI looks won by Trump but not called by CNN
|
|
|
Post by curiousliberal on Nov 9, 2016 5:58:50 GMT
No - it's unusual. Perhaps, it is not the norm so is abnormal in that literal sense, but I think it would be so only in the commonly understood meaning of the word if my social interactions were solely limited to other members of said political party which is not the case for me. Most of my day to day interactions are not with fellow members of UKIP - there aren't actually that many of them in my area! I think normalcy is overrated and boring, so, I would say being abnormal is a quality. You're different from the masses, you're more unique. Time for a bit of pedantry to lighten up the mood: you cannot be 'more' unique.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 6:00:17 GMT
I have tabs open with CNN and NBC results pages, but where are the details for the Maine & Nebraska districts? Neither lists them separately. I remember having exactly the same problem in 2012 and 2008 and was hoping they'd have the information on the results page this time but it seems they haven't. Still searching. NYTimes just says Clinton is expected to win all 4 in Maine, and Trump all 5 in NE. I have seen info at various times thins evening saying Clinton would win 1 in NE, and Trump 1 in ME. So I don't have a clue.
|
|
|
Post by casualobserver on Nov 9, 2016 6:02:14 GMT
Now looking good for Trump in NH, PA and WI. MI still seems unlikely for Trump, however.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 6:04:32 GMT
So delightful just now to see crazy old John McCain eating dirt.
|
|
|
Post by Andrew_S on Nov 9, 2016 6:06:10 GMT
|
|
|
Post by casualobserver on Nov 9, 2016 6:14:58 GMT
Trump leads by 51k in PA with 98% of precincts in.
|
|
|
Post by Andrew_S on Nov 9, 2016 6:24:15 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 6:24:15 GMT
269-269 is President Trump with a GOP majority House. If Clinton wins the popular vote, and Trump does not play nice with the Republican establishment (given how they've treated him, maybe they won't), there's a possibility that it's not President Trump after all - especially as the Senate result is going to be extremely close. No, just no.
|
|
|
Post by curiousliberal on Nov 9, 2016 6:25:52 GMT
If Clinton wins the popular vote, and Trump does not play nice with the Republican establishment (given how they've treated him, maybe they won't), there's a possibility that it's not President Trump after all - especially as the Senate result is going to be extremely close. No, just no. One can hope (although recent Senate results suggest that hope is fading fast). The Senate could still go 49-49, in which case the Dems could cause trouble there (and possibly prolong Obama's departure?).
|
|
|
Post by East Anglian Lefty on Nov 9, 2016 6:25:54 GMT
What are the rules in Pennsylvania with provisional ballots and the like? I don't see how Clinton can make up that margin from the outstanding precincts (some, given that they're mostly in urban counties, but nowhere near enough). However, if there are enough disputed votes then it might be enough to delay a formal call for a couple of days.
|
|