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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 5:38:55 GMT
Well you're a member of UKIP so obviously you're going to meet more Trump supporters than a normal person... The concept of normality is being redefined. EDIT: I see carlton43 got there first.
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Post by cj on Nov 9, 2016 5:39:24 GMT
What a two year period. The experts and analysts have called just about everything wrong each time. Long live the experts. I remember I made a fairly long post a few hundred pages back on this and then gave up on the thread because I was slapped down. So who is laughing now? No meltdown of GOP. They clear the slate. Most of you were completely wrong. Well I'd have offered to have eaten my hat if your predictions were right (and I could have sourced fonant headgea,)however Trumps victory, which now seems assured, is only the start of the GOP's problems. It will be interesting.
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Post by mrpastelito on Nov 9, 2016 5:39:55 GMT
Hopefully no one. There is nothing to laugh about. Of course there is - even if Trump only manages to give Clinton an almighty scare.
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 9, 2016 5:40:01 GMT
Perfectly expressed despite the hour. This is a further part of a massive change in the whole western World. It needed that change. It didn't, it doesn't, and decent people will fight the far right every step of the way, wherever they are. You are imposing sinister changes whilst simultaneously (hypocritically, in fact) shutting out refugees on the basis that their culture will allegedly lead to the very same changes (the only difference being that they would be veiled under the guise of religion). I rarely agree with Blair, but we are the insurgents now, and we will be a lot more difficult than the four bastards in Major's Cabinet.
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 9, 2016 5:40:08 GMT
Defining normal here as not a member of UKIP.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 9, 2016 5:40:09 GMT
Hopefully no one. There is nothing to laugh about. Oh yes here is. This is absolutely priceless.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 5:40:35 GMT
Wisconsin is all that matters now. Everything hinges on it. I think WI has been called for Trump by some media, and I don't think there#s a path back. However, PA, NH, MN, ME and MI going for Clinton would make it 269-269. PA - Trump up by 26k votes with 7% left MI - Trump up by 34k with 25% left NH - Trump up by 800 with 20% left ME - Clinton up by 17k with 25% left MN - Clinton up by 90k with 23% left Detroit Free Press called MI for clinton ages ago, but might have retracted it?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 9, 2016 5:41:49 GMT
Well you're a member of UKIP so obviously you're going to meet more Trump supporters than a normal person... That would be true but that's why I said specifically people who surprsied me - people I work with who are fairly apolitical, an old acquintance I met at a party at the weekend who was a Labour supporter when I last met him years previously. Conversely UKIP people I know are not the bunch of Trump fan-boys that you might imagine. I was at a county committee meeting last week and the subject naturally came up in conversation. Support for Trump was far from overwhelming and those that expressed a preference for him very much took the view that he is a twat but the lesser of two evils (more or less my own position)
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Post by cj on Nov 9, 2016 5:42:08 GMT
I made no comment on what his ratings were according to opinion polls - as I say they largely reflect the relentlessly negative reporting by the likes of the BBC. What I did do was challenge Greechristian's ridiculously hyperbolic statement that 'almost nobody' supported Trump. I suspect Greenchristian probably genuinely hasn't met anyone who has expressed support for Trump because he moves in such rarified circles (Church and Green party) but I have met many, some of whom have surprised me. Now the poll you refer to gives him the support of about 8% of the UK public which is certainly pretty derisory I agree - In fact it makes him about as unpopular as the Liberal Democrats. But I don't think the BBC should give relentlessly negative coverage to the Lib Dems just because they enjoy negligible public support. There job is to report dispassionately - noting to do with their poxy charter - just good journalistic standards. I know they like to presume to speak for the British public but they don't as the EU referendum should have taught them. I've met one UK person who has expressed support for Trump. Even my strongly UKIP friends aren't keen on him. You clearly mix with un-noramal kipppers
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 9, 2016 5:44:10 GMT
I can play anecdote bingo as well. Living and working in a very right of centre area at present everyone who has expressed any opinion at all on the US election has been horrified by the possibility of Trump winning.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 9, 2016 5:44:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 5:47:52 GMT
Hopefully no one. There is nothing to laugh about. Of course there is - even if Trump only manages to give Clinton an almighty scare. Trump has won by now. No reason to pretend otherwise.
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Post by Andrew_S on Nov 9, 2016 5:48:22 GMT
I'm not a Hillary fan but since Trump said he might not necessarily concede if it was close maybe she should do the same thing and wait for a recount in Florida, etc.
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Post by johnloony on Nov 9, 2016 5:48:45 GMT
I have tabs open with CNN and NBC results pages, but where are the details for the Maine & Nebraska districts? Neither lists them separately.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 5:48:58 GMT
Wisconsin is all that matters now. Everything hinges on it. I think WI has been called for Trump by some media, and I don't think there#s a path back. However, PA, NH, MN, ME and MI going for Clinton would make it 269-269. PA - Trump up by 26k votes with 7% left MI - Trump up by 34k with 25% left NH - Trump up by 800 with 20% left ME - Clinton up by 17k with 25% left MN - Clinton up by 90k with 23% left Detroit Free Press called MI for clinton ages ago, but might have retracted it? 269-269 is President Trump with a GOP majority House.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 9, 2016 5:50:11 GMT
I can play anecdote bingo as well. Living and working in a very right of centre area at present everyone who has expressed any opinion at all on the US election has been horrified by the possibility of Trump winning. So what? They don't nullify the people I have met who support him so my point stands that it is absurd to claim that nobody supports him. The rummest thing of all to have happened tonight incidentally may be having my 'normality' called into question by you of all people
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Post by cj on Nov 9, 2016 5:50:24 GMT
Well I salute your indifatiguability in sourcing polls, however I was playing on words/definitions as opposed to making a serious point, but well done you, tight!
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 9, 2016 5:52:04 GMT
I think WI has been called for Trump by some media, and I don't think there#s a path back. However, PA, NH, MN, ME and MI going for Clinton would make it 269-269. PA - Trump up by 26k votes with 7% left MI - Trump up by 34k with 25% left NH - Trump up by 800 with 20% left ME - Clinton up by 17k with 25% left MN - Clinton up by 90k with 23% left Detroit Free Press called MI for clinton ages ago, but might have retracted it? 269-269 is President Trump with a GOP majority House. That would be, to use a phrase popularised by our resident Abe Lincoln lookalike, *hilarious*
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Post by maxque on Nov 9, 2016 5:52:40 GMT
I can play anecdote bingo as well. Living and working in a very right of centre area at present everyone who has expressed any opinion at all on the US election has been horrified by the possibility of Trump winning. So what? They don't nullify the people I have met who support him so my point stands that it is absurd to claim that nobody supports him. The rummest thing of all to have happened tonight incidentally may be having my 'normality' called into question by you of all people I would say being an active member of a political party makes someone abnormal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 5:54:02 GMT
So what? They don't nullify the people I have met who support him so my point stands that it is absurd to claim that nobody supports him. The rummest thing of all to have happened tonight incidentally may be having my 'normality' called into question by you of all people I would say being an active member of a political party makes someone abnormal. In many ways, political activists have far more in common with each other than they do with anybody else.
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