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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 5:21:33 GMT
Trump ahead in the popular vote by 1.0% as things currently stand. Its likely for the best. He will win the EC, and an EC/PV split is never good. California isn't near to counted yet.
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Post by mrpastelito on Nov 9, 2016 5:24:31 GMT
I'm not counting any chickens yet. Is there any chance Clinton could still pull this off? NH, PA, MI, all of ME, 1 NE district
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 9, 2016 5:26:00 GMT
Florida called for Trump and better than last time. That my friends is Game...Set.....An Match. It is President Trump, a Republican Senate, a Republican House, A Republican Supreme Court, a friend to Britain and a détente with Russia. Good night's work. Iowa called for trump. I got up to go to the bathroom, but don't expect to be going back to bed anytime soon. I have largely stayed out of the debates about the US elections, as I lack the forensic knowledge of US politics shown by some forum members. I haven't been complimentary to Trump, who I described as "a vulgarian, a demagogue, an egomaniac, a motormouth and all-round horrible person who debases political discourse". I don't retract a word of that, but I now confess that I did vote for him in the poll. This was with great reluctance but, while I regarded the choice on offer in this election as poisonous, I did see some important policy upsides in a Trump victory. I saw very few with Hillary Clinton. Like carlton43 , I look forward to a rapprochement between the United States and Russia. I also see this result as excellent news for the United Kingdom. In direct terms, Trump is likely to be much more supportive of this country as we head toward our departure from the European Union. Indirectly, I think the EU will suffer significant collateral damage from Trump's policies, and will soon have more important things to worry about than punishing the UK. I recently joked about Trump hoping for his personal "Miracle of the House of Brandenburg". Well, he has got it, and so have we. We are seeing a seismic shift in world politics and, on balance, I'm pleased. Perfectly expressed despite the hour. This is a further part of a massive change in the whole western World. It needed that change.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 5:26:02 GMT
I'm not counting any chickens yet. Is there any chance Clinton could still pull this off? No.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 9, 2016 5:28:03 GMT
Its likely for the best. He will win the EC, and an EC/PV split is never good. California isn't near to counted yet. Doesn't matter does it? It is going to be called for Clinton and is already factored in.
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Post by nitory on Nov 9, 2016 5:28:33 GMT
Clinton ahead in NH currently by 18 votes.
Woden wept, can this shitshow just be over with soon. I've got to head to work in 15 minutes and thought the result would have been a done deal a few hours ago.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 5:29:12 GMT
Its likely for the best. He will win the EC, and an EC/PV split is never good. California isn't near to counted yet. No, there will be a split due to the West Coast, but it would be better if there wasn't.
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 9, 2016 5:29:53 GMT
California isn't near to counted yet. Doesn't matter does it? It is going to be called for Clinton and is already factored in. I think CatholicLeft was referring to the general vote rather than the electoral college vote. The NYT forecast suggest that will still break narrowly in Hillary's favour, and the margin of her result in California would play no small part in that.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 9, 2016 5:30:23 GMT
Pete Whitehead As for Trump's ratings in the UK, they are abysmal. IIRC data showing this was provided earlier in this thread: out of the 'big 4' national parties, only UKIP voters preferred him to Clinton, and even Conservatives preferred Clinton by a margin of over 20%. He is reviled (far more than his opponent is) here and rightly so. I made no comment on what his ratings were according to opinion polls - as I say they largely reflect the relentlessly negative reporting by the likes of the BBC. What I did do was challenge Greechristian's ridiculously hyperbolic statement that 'almost nobody' supported Trump. I suspect Greenchristian probably genuinely hasn't met anyone who has expressed support for Trump because he moves in such rarified circles (Church and Green party) but I have met many, some of whom have surprised me. Now the poll you refer to gives him the support of about 8% of the UK public which is certainly pretty derisory I agree - In fact it makes him about as unpopular as the Liberal Democrats. But I don't think the BBC should give relentlessly negative coverage to the Lib Dems just because they enjoy negligible public support. There job is to report dispassionately - noting to do with their poxy charter - just good journalistic standards. I know they like to presume to speak for the British public but they don't as the EU referendum should have taught them.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 9, 2016 5:32:02 GMT
What a two year period.
The experts and analysts have called just about everything wrong each time.
Long live the experts.
I remember I made a fairly long post a few hundred pages back on this and then gave up on the thread because I was slapped down.
So who is laughing now?
No meltdown of GOP. They clear the slate. Most of you were completely wrong.
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 9, 2016 5:32:59 GMT
Well you're a member of UKIP so obviously you're going to meet more Trump supporters than a normal person...
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 9, 2016 5:34:16 GMT
Doesn't matter does it? It is going to be called for Clinton and is already factored in. I think CatholicLeft was referring to the general vote rather than the electoral college vote. The NYT forecast suggest that will still break narrowly in Hillary's favour, and the margin of her result in California would play no small part in that. So what? The Electoral college matters and nothing else does.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 5:34:38 GMT
Hopefully no one. There is nothing to laugh about.
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 9, 2016 5:35:00 GMT
Pete Whitehead As for Trump's ratings in the UK, they are abysmal. IIRC data showing this was provided earlier in this thread: out of the 'big 4' national parties, only UKIP voters preferred him to Clinton, and even Conservatives preferred Clinton by a margin of over 20%. He is reviled (far more than his opponent is) here and rightly so. I made no comment on what his ratings were according to opinion polls - as I say they largely reflect the relentlessly negative reporting by the likes of the BBC. What I did do was challenge Greechristian's ridiculously hyperbolic statement that 'almost nobody' supported Trump. I suspect Greenchristian probably genuinely hasn't met anyone who has expressed support for Trump because he moves in such rarified circles (Church and Green party) but I have met many, some of whom have surprised me. Now the poll you refer to gives him the support of about 8% of the UK public which is certainly pretty derisory I agree - In fact it makes him about as unpopular as the Liberal Democrats. But I don't think the BBC should give relentlessly negative coverage to the Lib Dems just because they enjoy negligible public support. There job is to report dispassionately - noting to do with their poxy charter - just good journalistic standards. I know they like to presume to speak for the British public but they don't as the EU referendum should have taught them. I've met one UK person who has expressed support for Trump. Even my strongly UKIP friends aren't keen on him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 5:35:26 GMT
Wisconsin is all that matters now. Everything hinges on it.
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 9, 2016 5:36:38 GMT
Though as for the Democratic Party... not many clearer electoral cases of hubris meeting nemesis frankly. So utterly fycking irresponsible.
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 9, 2016 5:37:07 GMT
I think CatholicLeft was referring to the general vote rather than the electoral college vote. The NYT forecast suggest that will still break narrowly in Hillary's favour, and the margin of her result in California would play no small part in that. So what? The Electoral college matters and nothing else does. Obviously it matters a lot more now, but if Hillary were to win it, that would be future Democratic ammunition for every rebellion against President Trump, and you can be sure it'll be on every piece of campaign literature they put out.
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Post by Andrew_S on Nov 9, 2016 5:38:13 GMT
Hillary Clinton has taken the lead in New Hampshire and Maine.
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 9, 2016 5:38:40 GMT
So what? The Electoral college matters and nothing else does. Obviously it matters a lot more now, but if Hillary were to win it, that would be future Democratic ammunition for every rebellion against President Trump, and you can be sure it'll be on every piece of campaign literature they put out. It's so sweet how British political activists assume similar levels of professionalism and competence in the United States.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 9, 2016 5:38:41 GMT
Well you're a member of UKIP so obviously you're going to meet more Trump supporters than a normal person... Ahh!! But the Normal Persons lost in the Euro Elections, the 2015GE, the Referendum and now in America...................So perhaps they aren't 'Normal'?
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