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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 9, 2016 4:57:50 GMT
BBC have gone into full-on mourning mode - no pretence at dispassionate reporting Given that almost nobody in the UK was taken in by Trump, that's hardly a surprising editorial line to take. Almost nobody? I think that just demonstrates the very narrow circles you move in. For my part I don;t mind too much either way who wins this - I've certainly plenty of reservations about Trump and my main pleasure in this is in an incredibly exciting election night and in getting to watch a bunch of liberals wetting their beds again. But I've come across a surprising number of people who support Trump and/or dislike Hilary, far more I think than supported GWB or either of Obama's opponents. And that despite the relentlessly biased reporting by the likes of the BBC in the run-up to the election
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Post by Andrew_S on Nov 9, 2016 5:03:12 GMT
I'm not upset at this result but I am shocked by it. I thought Trump could get very close to winning but wouldn't actually be able to do it.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 9, 2016 5:03:53 GMT
In non-domestice politics? If satan errupted from the pit to bring forth the end of days would you expect his spokesbeing on Breakfast? ^This. I doubt many people on this forum, especially Conservative members, would be amongst those supporting the BBC when they ran their interview with Anjem Choudary, even though they made it very clear they utterly abhorred his politics. There's being neutral when it comes to a domestic, economic left/right divide, and then there's recognising a horrible human being for what he is. What a typo for 'she'/ Forgivable as it is very late.
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 9, 2016 5:06:33 GMT
^This. I doubt many people on this forum, especially Conservative members, would be amongst those supporting the BBC when they ran their interview with Anjem Choudary, even though they made it very clear they utterly abhorred his politics. There's being neutral when it comes to a domestic, economic left/right divide, and then there's recognising a horrible human being for what he is. What a typo for 'she'/ Forgivable as it is very late. Get back to me when you think it is ok for a man to leave a radio host unchallenged - even responding 'yeah, you could say that' - after they describe his own daughter as 'a piece of ass'.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 9, 2016 5:07:31 GMT
Trumps pulled ahead in PA now with almost all of Metro Philly in but still quite a lot of votes in Allegheny
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 5:08:12 GMT
Given that almost nobody in the UK was taken in by Trump, that's hardly a surprising editorial line to take. They are still supposed to be impartial. On British politics, I think.
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Post by BossMan on Nov 9, 2016 5:08:22 GMT
Trump ahead in the popular vote by 1.0% as things currently stand.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 5:09:58 GMT
Trump ahead in the popular vote by 1.0% as things currently stand. Its likely for the best. He will win the EC, and an EC/PV split is never good.
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Post by mrpastelito on Nov 9, 2016 5:10:03 GMT
I'm not counting any chickens yet.
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Post by iain on Nov 9, 2016 5:10:37 GMT
Trumps pulled ahead in PA now with almost all of Metro Philly in but still quite a lot of votes in Allegheny Can't see him winning this one, still quite a lot of votes to come from Pittsburgh & Harrisburg, most of the rurals now in.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Nov 9, 2016 5:11:23 GMT
Trumps pulled ahead in PA now with almost all of Metro Philly in but still quite a lot of votes in Allegheny Traditionally the early PA returns are pro-Dem and the later returns are pro-Rep. But he might not even need PA to win.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 9, 2016 5:11:46 GMT
What a typo for 'she'/ Forgivable as it is very late. Get back to me when you think it is ok for a man to leave a radio host unchallenged - even responding 'yeah, you could say that' - after they described his own daughter as 'a piece of ass'. In American terms both candidates were a 'Piece of Work' and each party should be thoroughly ashamed of the useless way it has conducted this election. A first rate Democrat would have beaten Trump with a useful margin. A first rate Republican would have beaten Hilary by a landslide. Those two good candidates against each other would have been a close call but a Republican win.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 9, 2016 5:18:27 GMT
I'm not upset at this result but I am shocked by it. I thought Trump could get very close to winning but wouldn't actually be able to do it. I had a Texan girlfriend who was much given to using the phrase "Aahh ar'm shorcked 'an appalled........burt ar'm not surprised." Many of us must feel like that.
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Post by iainbhx on Nov 9, 2016 5:19:22 GMT
Trumps pulled ahead in PA now with almost all of Metro Philly in but still quite a lot of votes in Allegheny Traditionally the early PA returns are pro-Dem and the later returns are pro-Rep. But he might not even need PA to win. He doesn't need PA to win.
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 9, 2016 5:19:32 GMT
Get back to me when you think it is ok for a man to leave a radio host unchallenged - even responding 'yeah, you could say that' - after they described his own daughter as 'a piece of ass'. In American terms both candidates were a 'Piece of Work' and each party should be thoroughly ashamed of the useless way it has conducted this election. A first rate Democrat would have beaten Trump with a useful margin. A first rate Republican would have beaten Hilary by a landslide. Those two good candidates against each other would have been a close call but a Republican win. Hillary is a thoroughly better human being than Trump, and also a far more competent operator. Unfortunately, quite a lot of the mud the Republicans have thrown her way over the years has stuck, and this has made her a weak president-in-waiting (I still contend her ratings would improve if she was president). This idea that they are both as bad as each other is a myth, mostly perpetrated by the anti-politics brigade, who want to maintain a narrative that should crumble in the face of the far-right threat. Pete Whitehead As for Trump's ratings in the UK, they are abysmal. IIRC data showing this was provided earlier in this thread: out of the 'big 4' national parties, only UKIP voters preferred him to Clinton, and even Conservatives preferred Clinton by a margin of over 20%. He is reviled (far more than his opponent is) here and rightly so.
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Post by BossMan on Nov 9, 2016 5:20:02 GMT
I'm not counting any chickens yet. Is there any chance Clinton could still pull this off?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 5:20:26 GMT
Florida called for Trump and better than last time. That my friends is Game...Set.....An Match. It is President Trump, a Republican Senate, a Republican House, A Republican Supreme Court, a friend to Britain and a détente with Russia. Good night's work. Iowa called for trump. I got up to go to the bathroom, but don't expect to be going back to bed anytime soon. I have largely stayed out of the debates about the US elections, as I lack the forensic knowledge of US politics shown by some forum members. I haven't been complimentary to Trump, who I described as "a vulgarian, a demagogue, an egomaniac, a motormouth and all-round horrible person who debases political discourse". I don't retract a word of that, but I now confess that I did vote for him in the poll. This was with great reluctance but, while I regarded the choice on offer in this election as poisonous, I did see some important policy upsides in a Trump victory. I saw very few with Hillary Clinton. Like carlton43 , I look forward to a rapprochement between the United States and Russia. I also see this result as excellent news for the United Kingdom. In direct terms, Trump is likely to be much more supportive of this country as we head toward our departure from the European Union. Indirectly, I think the EU will suffer significant collateral damage from Trump's policies, and will soon have more important things to worry about than punishing the UK. I recently joked about Trump hoping for his personal "Miracle of the House of Brandenburg". Well, he has got it, and so have we. We are seeing a seismic shift in world politics and, on balance, I'm pleased.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 5:20:26 GMT
Traditionally the early PA returns are pro-Dem and the later returns are pro-Rep. But he might not even need PA to win. He doesn't need PA to win. No, PA is pretty irrelevant now.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 9, 2016 5:20:33 GMT
I'm not upset at this result but I am shocked by it. I thought Trump could get very close to winning but wouldn't actually be able to do it. I had a Texan girlfriend who was much given to using the phrase "Aahh ar'm shorcked 'an appalled........burt ar'm not surprised." Many of us must feel like that. I'm the opposite - I'm surprised but not shocked and not appalled (naturally a little bit apprehensive though)
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 9, 2016 5:21:00 GMT
I'm not counting any chickens yet. Is there any chance Clinton could still pull this off? Yes. A realistic path to victory still exists for her, albeit a very unlikely one.
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