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Post by froome on Aug 13, 2021 14:58:14 GMT
I’m surprised that the Ind didn’t win on those numbers. I’d like to see more information here on transfers for Scottish by-elections. The initial vote is not without interest, but it’s less than half the story. One assumes that the Independent here was very anti SNP. I was surprised there was no Labour candidate, especially as they got more than twice the Lib Dem vote in 2017, and Wick is the sort of town they ought to have a residue of a vote in. Had they stood, would their transfers have made much difference to the result? |
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 13, 2021 15:02:15 GMT
That depends on your definition of Scottish Highlands. If by Highlands you mean the Highland Council area, then the Liberal Democrats held all the parliamentary constituencies in that area from 2005-15 (Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross, Ross, Skye & Lochaber, and Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey).
Even on that definition it is a boast of having held just the THREE seats for a 10-year stint!
TRADITION??
There was a tradition of holding various seats in the Highlands from the days of Jo Grimond. And of getting sizeable votes in others. However the Highlands start at the Highland Boundary Fault which is just north of Perth. (speaking in a professional context!) |
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 13, 2021 15:07:15 GMT
It's what STV was designed for.
Indeed it is.
It deprived the 'real' winner who got the most votes in favour of a LD.
The sole purpose of the very system.
If the LDs became dominent and started to lose seats under STV (or similar) it would be quietly dropped.
No it wouldn't |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 13, 2021 15:10:30 GMT
Even on that definition it is a boast of having held just the THREE seats for a 10-year stint!
TRADITION??
There was a tradition of holding various seats in the Highlands from the days of Jo Grimond. And of getting sizeable votes in others. However the Highlands start at the Highland Boundary Fault which is just north of Perth. (speaking in a professional context!)
So, West Aberdeensire, Banff, Buchan, Moray, Nairn, Ross, Sutherland, Caithness, Inverness, Argyll, North Stirling and North Perth + 2 Island seats.
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 13, 2021 15:11:05 GMT
Two Lib Dem wins and a Tory win in Scotland - wonder how The National will report those? Alex Cole Hamilton shouted at cat. Or tortured cat during staged photo opportunity? (that would be Will Rennie though...) |
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 13, 2021 15:19:44 GMT
I'm increasingly of the view that carlton43 is a teenage girl pretending to be a crotchety old Tory. 
I hate you! I hate you!! I hate you!!
Talk to the hand cos its well good for it.
And As if Well just
You fail the test by not using the word "like" several times as a filler. My students still do it.. But I think you should work on some Sheffield expressions such as "Tint in tin" |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Aug 13, 2021 15:20:40 GMT
Sheffield is the 'perfect fit' for almost all people. Yes, I would have a perfect fit if I had to be there...... Actually, seriously, it is a city I've hardly ever been to, and it was almost the only place that Eileen spent a lot of time in without me. She had close connections with the late-lamented university Archaeological department and often went there, staying with the then Prof, Keith Branigan, whose tome on Roman Britain( with contributions from Colin Renfrew and Richard Hodges), still adorns our shelves. I Kent say I know your part of the country at all, nearest I got was an interview for the post graduate careers guidance course, ended up going to Pontypridd instead. My maternal grandads maternal family was historically Kent based, especially around Dover. |
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 13, 2021 15:24:38 GMT
I’d like to see more information here on transfers for Scottish by-elections. The initial vote is not without interest, but it’s less than half the story. One assumes that the Independent here was very anti SNP. I was surprised there was no Labour candidate, especially as they got more than twice the Lib Dem vote in 2017, and Wick is the sort of town they ought to have a residue of a vote in. Had they stood, would their transfers have made much difference to the result? Hard to know if there were any informal deals going on,or whether they just decided it wasn't worth the bother or couldn't find a candidate |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 13, 2021 15:32:50 GMT
I hate you! I hate you!! I hate you!!
Talk to the hand cos its well good for it.
And As if Well just
You fail the test by not using the word "like" several times as a filler. My students still do it.. But I think you should work on some Sheffield expressions such as "Tint in tin"
But, to be 'in character' as a much younger female me, would not be dialect nor low class enough to use 'like' as a form of punctuation. It would be breathless, gushy and loose the ends of each sentence.
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Post by greenhert on Aug 13, 2021 15:45:40 GMT
There was a tradition of holding various seats in the Highlands from the days of Jo Grimond. And of getting sizeable votes in others. However the Highlands start at the Highland Boundary Fault which is just north of Perth. (speaking in a professional context!)
So, West Aberdeensire, Banff, Buchan, Moray, Nairn, Ross, Sutherland, Caithness, Inverness, Argyll, North Stirling and North Perth + 2 Island seats.
No part of Aberdeenshire, Perthshire or Stirlingshire can be considered part of the Scottish Highlands, and with both Banff and Moray it is a borderline case. Argyll & Bute definitely counts-they should never, ever have been placed in the Strathclyde region back in 1974. In Scottish Parliament terms they are definitely in the right region. |
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Post by Toylyyev on Aug 13, 2021 15:51:02 GMT
Hoping that the Scottish results come through so we can get back to what Vote UK Forum is all about I have "liked" this for the sentiment in general terms, but I wouldn't quite agree that psephology is what this forum is "all" about, and I think it would be the poorer, more sterile perhaps, if it was. Hope we get some more meat from Scotland soon though. Psephology seems to have the following characteristic in common with women: Souvent femme varie.I for instance can't figure why no one else seems to think that most of its abstractions are about the five hundred years from 400 to 900 AD. The closest perception noted so far is someone who believes its the first five hundred years of the second millennium. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Aug 13, 2021 15:52:17 GMT
So, West Aberdeensire, Banff, Buchan, Moray, Nairn, Ross, Sutherland, Caithness, Inverness, Argyll, North Stirling and North Perth + 2 Island seats.
No part of Aberdeenshire, Perthshire or Stirlingshire can be considered part of the Scottish Highlands, and with both Banff and Moray it is a borderline case. Argyll & Bute definitely counts-they should never, ever have been placed in the Strathclyde region back in 1974. In Scottish Parliament terms they are definitely in the right region. Wiki to the rescue, complete with map, to assist us southerners. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Highlands |
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Post by Toylyyev on Aug 13, 2021 15:52:40 GMT
Actually meltham did kind of predict the Aspire win in Tower Hamlets with his "Taliban" joke - and it was a joke all you po-faced miserablists. They're more Awami League than Taliban, aren't they? There i was led to think it was the Pakistan Green Party.  |
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Post by MacShimidh on Aug 13, 2021 15:54:42 GMT
Looks like I overestimated how well the Independent would do in Inverness West - didn't expect him to be behind even the Tories. As Inverness becomes less of a backwater and more like any other mid-sized Scottish city, I wonder if the allure of Independents is starting to wane within the city itself.
The Caithness result is pretty impressive for the Lib Dems. Even though it's within a seat they hold at Westminster, that ward is not fertile territory for them at all. Didn't see that one coming so well done to them.
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 13, 2021 16:02:16 GMT
So, West Aberdeensire, Banff, Buchan, Moray, Nairn, Ross, Sutherland, Caithness, Inverness, Argyll, North Stirling and North Perth + 2 Island seats.
No part of Aberdeenshire, Perthshire or Stirlingshire can be considered part of the Scottish Highlands, and with both Banff and Moray it is a borderline case. Argyll & Bute definitely counts-they should never, ever have been placed in the Strathclyde region back in 1974. In Scottish Parliament terms they are definitely in the right region. You think Schiehallion (along with many other Munros) is not in the Scottish Highlands??? |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 13, 2021 16:13:16 GMT
Two Lib Dem wins and a Tory win in Scotland - wonder how The National will report those? "Westminster establishment gets Scottish voters to gang up on Scottish voters". |
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Post by Khunanup on Aug 13, 2021 17:12:57 GMT
Two Lib Dem wins and a Tory win in Scotland - wonder how The National will report those? All gains as well... |
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Post by Khunanup on Aug 13, 2021 17:17:04 GMT
Actually meltham did kind of predict the Aspire win in Tower Hamlets with his "Taliban" joke - and it was a joke all you po-faced miserablists. They're more Awami League than Taliban, aren't they? BNP shurely... |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Aug 13, 2021 17:24:32 GMT
This is a Bangladeshi majority area, not a Pashtun/Hazara/Uzbek/Tajik majority area. Would you like a map to understand that there is thousands of miles between the 2 countries? It isn't even that. In 2011, the largest ethnic group in the area was White British. It may be a plurality British-Bangladeshi ward now, but I doubt if it is a majority one. However, melthamhd94nn does need to give his head a wobble. The Rahmanites may be sleazy and communitarian, but they aren't anything like the Taliban or particularly religious, although they are happy to use religion as a tool. Oh, my mistake, but it certainly doesn't have many Afghan residents I would think and, as you highlighted, the Rahmanites are hardly Islamists. They pray instead to the great god of backhanders 😉 |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Aug 13, 2021 17:26:53 GMT
Preferably a hoover to check if there's any brain in there?
You chaps are not up to effective sarcasm are you?
A Hoover for 'suction'? I don't think so! Do you?
And, Like we are in anyway interested in the difference or care at all !!
If you're doing anything else with a hoover, I would personally like not to know of your alternative uses! And it's rather amusing to see you defending a Lib Dem, I thought you despised them? |
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