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Post by northbriton on Aug 13, 2021 12:26:05 GMT
They seem to be getting reorganised up there. So they should, what with holding the Westminster seat. Certainly good news for Jamie Stone's chances of defending the seat next time round. The two Highland results are obviously very good for LibDem morale. Scottish Tories will, of course, be delighted with the Ayrshire walk-over, and quietly happy to be consolidating their vote in Highland which was a complete void before the 2017 council elections. Their Cllr in WIck would have been re-elected without the need for transfers on those numbers. Labour going precisely nowhere (still) and my impression is that the fizz has gone out of the SNP for the moment. At the end of the day they failed to win anything. |
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Post by iang on Aug 13, 2021 12:31:39 GMT
It's another good week for us. That's a second good result in recent weeks in East Anglia, which is another "was good, seems to have crumbled" area. And the post C&A improvement in the polls seems to have consolidated.
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 13, 2021 12:35:25 GMT
Here you are, Tories were well ahead of the SNP after transferring all the Independent votes last time. Whoever was the leading opponent of the SNP on first choices was going to win. So actually the initial vote was most of the story
Except unless the SNp moved ahead of the indy on Tory transfers, it would have come down to LD vs Indy... I would expect the Con transfers to have increased the LD lead, but would have thought the SNP transfers might have reversed that. Final figures will be interesting... It's not that improbable that SNP first choicers might be at least just as inclined to prefer LD to Indy as vice versa, depending on their view of the particular Indy. It might be significant that Fernie didn't do very well last time. |
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Post by tonyhill on Aug 13, 2021 12:39:28 GMT
Didn't Jamie Stone say that he wasn't going to stand at the next election, or am I misremembering?
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Post by tonyhill on Aug 13, 2021 12:46:55 GMT
Actually meltham did kind of predict the Aspire win in Tower Hamlets with his "Taliban" joke - and it was a joke all you po-faced miserablists.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 13, 2021 12:48:54 GMT
Actually meltham did kind of predict the Aspire win in Tower Hamlets with his "Taliban" joke - and it was a joke all you po-faced miserablists. They're more Awami League than Taliban, aren't they? |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Aug 13, 2021 12:50:04 GMT
Thus, I am a perfect fit to the region.
In that case "perfect fit" may not be quite the most apt expression. Sheffield is the 'perfect fit' for almost all people. |
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 13, 2021 13:05:55 GMT
The LibDems used to hold the entire Highlands bar the Western Isles. There is a genuine Liberal tradition. Highland council area, but there are Highland seats further south we never held except perhaps long ago (eg. Perthshire in its various forms). Correct re Liberal tradition though, and a lot of SNP voters up there used to vote Liberal
Yes, I was thinking of the Highlands and Islands plus Argyll! |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Aug 13, 2021 13:13:13 GMT
Actually meltham did kind of predict the Aspire win in Tower Hamlets with his "Taliban" joke - and it was a joke all you po-faced miserablists. If it was a joke it failed miserablistly. |
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 13, 2021 13:22:38 GMT
In that case "perfect fit" may not be quite the most apt expression. Sheffield is the 'perfect fit' for almost all people. Yes, I would have a perfect fit if I had to be there...... Actually, seriously, it is a city I've hardly ever been to, and it was almost the only place that Eileen spent a lot of time in without me. She had close connections with the late-lamented university Archaeological department and often went there, staying with the then Prof, Keith Branigan, whose tome on Roman Britain( with contributions from Colin Renfrew and Richard Hodges), still adorns our shelves. |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 13, 2021 13:37:21 GMT
So they should, what with holding the Westminster seat. The LibDems used to hold the entire Highlands bar the Western Isles. There is a genuine Liberal tradition.
When I first went to the Highlands the CON held Kinross, the Perths, Argyll, Angus, Aberdeensire, Moray & Nairn, Inverness, and Ross......... there was a genuine Tory tradition.
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 13, 2021 13:40:59 GMT
The LibDems used to hold the entire Highlands bar the Western Isles. There is a genuine Liberal tradition.
When I first went to the Highlands the CON held Kinross, the Perths, Argyll, Angus, Aberdeensire, Moray & Nairn, Inverness, and Ross......... there was a genuine Tory tradition.
Absolutely. I'm sure in an independent Scotland there would be votes for a conservative party there. |
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Post by andykernow on Aug 13, 2021 13:43:24 GMT
Two Lib Dem wins and a Tory win in Scotland - wonder how The National will report those? To be honest the three Scottish gains looked odds on given voting system and the relative votes of the defending party/group - for the Indys in Highlands its a lottery where their votes will go. In Inveness West the Lib Dems topped the poll in the last election on first preference votes, so for them to win that was not such a surprise. In Wick the FPV for the Independents were just shy of 62% so it was always going to be a Lottery although the Lib Dems to come from bottom of the poll to win was a great result. In North Ayrshire the Indy vote was just shy of 50% of the FPV last time and the Tories were only 82 behind the SNP so with the mass of unknown votes flying around they would have decided they would have a good chance. That being said it was definitely a good night for the Lib Dems. To gain two, hold one with a stomping majority and push the incumbents close in another is a good nights work. Tower Hamlets is where Aspire have had a good groundswell so although it came as a surprise, it was maybe not such a big one as it first looks. In 2018 they fielded 10 candidates and although none won, they still attracted 15% of the vote and back in the 2006 elections Respect had 12 seats so there is history in this borough. A really interesting set of results tbh |
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 13, 2021 13:44:00 GMT
The LibDems used to hold the entire Highlands bar the Western Isles. There is a genuine Liberal tradition.
When I first went to the Highlands the CON held Kinross, the Perths, Argyll, Angus, Aberdeensire, Moray & Nairn, Inverness, and Ross......... there was a genuine Tory tradition.
And now you've come away they are beginning to recover... |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 13, 2021 13:48:38 GMT
Wick & East Caithness: TILT, Jill (Liberal Democrat) - 657 (27.3%) FERNIE, Bill (Indepedent) - 622 (25.8%) CAMERON, Michael James (SNP) - 593 (24.6%) ROSS, Daniel (Conservative) - 523 (21.7%) CHRISTIAN, Harry (Scottish Libertarian) - 16 (0.7%) Jill Tilt (Lib Dem) elected It's what STV was designed for.
Indeed it is.
It deprived the 'real' winner who got the most votes in favour of a LD.
The sole purpose of the very system.
If the LDs became dominent and started to lose seats under STV (or similar) it would be quietly dropped.
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 13, 2021 13:54:14 GMT
Dalry and West Kilbride Con 2016 SNP 1292 Lab 305 LD 58 Soc Lab 57 Ind 42 Thinking about the area this comes as no surprise - it must have been the heart of the Tory vote in what was a pretty decent seat for the Tories before SNP dominance? |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 13, 2021 13:58:13 GMT
The LibDems used to hold the entire Highlands bar the Western Isles. There is a genuine Liberal tradition. Highland council area, but there are Highland seats further south we never held except perhaps long ago (eg. Perthshire in its various forms).
Correct re Liberal tradition though, and a lot of SNP voters up there used to vote Liberal
It isn't. The CON have often had more seats and I don't think LIB ever held all of the Highlands.
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Post by greenhert on Aug 13, 2021 14:08:12 GMT
Highland council area, but there are Highland seats further south we never held except perhaps long ago (eg. Perthshire in its various forms).
Correct re Liberal tradition though, and a lot of SNP voters up there used to vote Liberal
It isn't. The CON have often had more seats and I don't think LIB ever held all of the Highlands.
That depends on your definition of Scottish Highlands. If by Highlands you mean the Highland Council area, then the Liberal Democrats held all the parliamentary constituencies in that area from 2005-15 (Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross, Ross, Skye & Lochaber, and Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey). |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 13, 2021 14:21:20 GMT
It isn't. The CON have often had more seats and I don't think LIB ever held all of the Highlands.
That depends on your definition of Scottish Highlands. If by Highlands you mean the Highland Council area, then the Liberal Democrats held all the parliamentary constituencies in that area from 2005-15 (Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross, Ross, Skye & Lochaber, and Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey).
Even on that definition it is a boast of having held just the THREE seats for a 10-year stint!
TRADITION??
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Post by islington on Aug 13, 2021 14:34:37 GMT
I'm increasingly of the view that carlton43 is a teenage girl pretending to be a crotchety old Tory. 
I hate you! I hate you!! I hate you!!
Talk to the hand cos its well good for it.
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