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Post by carlton43 on Aug 13, 2021 9:45:44 GMT
Instead of making infantile comments regarding the taliban in Tower hamlets perhaps Charlton 69 could tell us what he thinks about the current situation in Afghanistan. Is the tory government right in pulling out our troops? This is a disaster in the making. What on earth are they thinking? As if we had a real say in it, once the American government decided to leave the cards were delt. You want to sacrifice UK soldiers for nothing? Regarding the Taliban carlton43 was just responding to an infantile poster further up the thread.
Thanks for that,
But, 'He' has been quite 'Athletic' in his detailed respose on Afghanistan on the appropriate thead.
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Post by iain on Aug 13, 2021 9:46:21 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 13, 2021 9:49:51 GMT
Looks to me that we have already made the call that our troops have lost lives for nothing. We had some kind of stability there. When was the last time we heard of our soldiers being killed over there? It is now going to be a breeding ground for terrorists. The tories will regret this disgraceful decision to pull out. nails it in the first sentence; loathe as I am to defend this shit show that calls itself a government, they had absolutely no choice once Biden disgracefully chose to pull the rug out to cater to the moronic AOC/Sanders wing of his Party. We know that our Secretary of State for Defence has been trying to persuade NATO colleagues to postpone their withdrawal, but without American support few (correctly so) were willing to embark on a suicide mission. I suspect it won’t be the withdrawal the Conservatives regret but having to dutifully follow the Americans back in 12 months and start all over again. Personally when the White House and Pentagon do ask for our help in clearing up their latest mess I’d support an answer concise enough to satisfy carlton43, no. Isn't this actually the "peace deal" that Trump agreed with the Taliban last year in operation? |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 13, 2021 9:50:38 GMT
I am happy to accept praise from any source, be it for concision, quality of English or quality of political analysis.
Thank you.
It is always good in life to have a low happiness threshold Carlton
Quite so Andrew.
I was ever '... a snapper-up of unconsidered trifles ...'.
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Post by grahammurray on Aug 13, 2021 10:00:44 GMT
It is always good in life to have a low happiness threshold Carlton
Quite so Andrew.
I was ever '... a snapper-up of unconsidered trifles ...'.
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 13, 2021 10:02:23 GMT
Defenestrated Fipplebox nails it in the first sentence; loathe as I am to defend this shit show that calls itself a government, they had absolutely no choice once Biden disgracefully chose to pull the rug out to cater to the moronic AOC/Sanders wing of his Party. We know that our Secretary of State for Defence has been trying to persuade NATO colleagues to postpone their withdrawal, but without American support few (correctly so) were willing to embark on a suicide mission. I suspect it won’t be the withdrawal the Conservatives regret but having to dutifully follow the Americans back in 12 months and start all over again. Personally when the White House and Pentagon do ask for our help in clearing up their latest mess I’d support an answer concise enough to satisfy carlton43, no. Isn't this actually the "peace deal" that Trump agreed with the Taliban last year in operation? It’s probably a version of, but I think the speed of the American withdrawal took everyone by surprise - Scott Morrison claims Australia wasn’t informed and he found out via the media. One also might have hoped Biden’s foreign policy and military knowledge might have given him cause to rethink anything Trump negotiated. |
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 13, 2021 10:03:12 GMT
As if we had a real say in it, once the American government decided to leave the cards were delt. You want to sacrifice UK soldiers for nothing? Regarding the Taliban carlton43 was just responding to an infantile poster further up the thread.
Thanks for that,
But, 'He' has been quite 'Athletic' in his detailed respose on Afghanistan on the appropriate thead.
Please accept some praise for the quality of English in that post! |
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 13, 2021 10:06:49 GMT
Isn't this actually the "peace deal" that Trump agreed with the Taliban last year in operation? It’s probably a version of, but I think the speed of the American withdrawal took everyone by surprise - Scott Morrison claims Australia wasn’t informed and he found out via the media. One also might have hoped Biden’s foreign policy and military knowledge might have given him cause to rethink anything Trump negotiated. Biden's own record — particularly as vice president to Barack Obama — helps illuminate how he may act once he is sworn in. "Biden was the most senior dissenting voice against a surge in Afghanistan back in 2008 and 2009," says Andrew Watkins, senior analyst for Afghanistan at the International Crisis Group. "He remained insistent throughout the last decade that bringing American troop numbers down to just a few thousand and really only focusing on targeted strikes of the very worst of the very worst threats to regional and American security was the only thing that the U.S. should be doing in Afghanistan." a quote from www.npr.org/2020/11/18/935351710/what-a-joe-biden-presidency-may-mean-for-afghanistan?t=1628849191796 |
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 13, 2021 10:08:03 GMT
Isn't this actually the "peace deal" that Trump agreed with the Taliban last year in operation? It’s probably a version of, but I think the speed of the American withdrawal took everyone by surprise - Scott Morrison claims Australia wasn’t informed and he found out via the media. One also might have hoped Biden’s foreign policy and military knowledge might have given him cause to rethink anything Trump negotiated. He is just keeping to the pledge made by Obama... I think the US have just got tired of Afghanistan |
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 13, 2021 10:08:09 GMT
Hoping that the Scottish results come through so we can get back to what Vote UK Forum is all about I have "liked" this for the sentiment in general terms, but I wouldn't quite agree that psephology is what this forum is "all" about, and I think it would be the poorer, more sterile perhaps, if it was. Hope we get some more meat from Scotland soon though. |
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 13, 2021 10:10:27 GMT
It’s probably a version of, but I think the speed of the American withdrawal took everyone by surprise - Scott Morrison claims Australia wasn’t informed and he found out via the media. One also might have hoped Biden’s foreign policy and military knowledge might have given him cause to rethink anything Trump negotiated. He is just keeping to the pledge made by Obama... I think the US have just got tired of Afghanistan Indeed, the original Trump plan apparently had US troops leaving by *this spring*. |
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Post by andrewp on Aug 13, 2021 10:11:15 GMT
Dalry and West Kilbride turnout 36.3%.
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 13, 2021 10:20:12 GMT
Wick and East Caithness turnout 25.3% and are adjudicating disputed ballots, so a first round result may be Imminent.
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 13, 2021 10:24:38 GMT
Wick and East Caithness turnout 25.3% and are adjudicating disputed ballots, so a first round result may be Imminent. I guess they have to adjudicate disputed ballots before they start the transfer process? |
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Post by andrewp on Aug 13, 2021 10:28:45 GMT
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Post by Tony Otim on Aug 13, 2021 10:30:09 GMT
That"s a very good result for the Conservatives - over 50% on 1st prefs. |
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Post by andrewp on Aug 13, 2021 10:32:49 GMT
Dalry and West Kilbride
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SNP 1292
Lab 305
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Post by andrewp on Aug 13, 2021 10:34:09 GMT
That"s a very good result for the Conservatives - over 50% on 1st prefs. 53.5% |
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 13, 2021 10:35:26 GMT
Dalry and West Kilbride Con 2016 SNP 1292 Lab 305 LD 58 Soc Lab 57 Ind 42 I guess we know where the Independent votes went in this case then |
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Post by evergreenadam on Aug 13, 2021 10:40:54 GMT
Dalry and West Kilbride Con 2016 SNP 1292 Lab 305 LD 58 Soc Lab 57 Ind 42 I guess we know where the Independent votes went in this case then At the last election each voter had three votes and there was only one candidate for each of the Con, SNP and Lab parties. So I guess a lot of voters used their left over votes on the Inds, as a relatively benign choice. With only one vote this time party loyalties have come to the fore. |
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