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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 15, 2021 22:10:53 GMT
Are Cllrs responsible for doctors' appointments?  No. But neither are they responsible for other items on that list. There is an expectation that councillors will lobby for the community generally. Whether that should be so is another matter. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 15, 2021 22:19:18 GMT
Are Cllrs responsible for doctors' appointments? No. But neither are they responsible for other items on that list. There is an expectation that councillors will lobby for the community generally. Whether that should be so is another matter. But with the cabinet system they don't really have a policy making role any more, so casework about local affairs has indeed become a central focus. Doctors appointments are certainly an issue round here. |
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Post by middleenglander on Jul 15, 2021 22:30:47 GMT
Is the Labour flyer a last minute response (1 hour until polls close) to the Conservative one at least several days earlier (vote on Thursday 15 May)?
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 15, 2021 22:30:53 GMT
No. But neither are they responsible for other items on that list. There is an expectation that councillors will lobby for the community generally. Whether that should be so is another matter. But with the cabinet system they don't really have a policy making role any more, so casework about local affairs has indeed become a central focus. Doctors appointments are certainly an issue round here. My concern would be rather that "local doctor's appointments" is not a pledge. It doesn't say what he would do about it, whereas tbf the Tory woman sort-of does. Whether she will actually do so, of course, may be quite another matter. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 15, 2021 22:35:10 GMT
But with the cabinet system they don't really have a policy making role any more, so casework about local affairs has indeed become a central focus. Doctors appointments are certainly an issue round here. My concern would be rather that "local doctor's appointments" is not a pledge. It doesn't say what he would do about it, whereas tbf the Tory woman sort-of does. Whether she will actually do so, of course, may be quite another matter. It's the election day leaflet so I'm assuming it had been mentioned in previous literature? |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 15, 2021 22:50:09 GMT
Any news of counting?
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 15, 2021 22:52:09 GMT
Is the Labour flyer a last minute response (1 hour until polls close) to the Conservative one at least several days earlier (vote on Thursday 15 May)? Not exactly, there are two, three and four hours until polls close leaflets doing the rounds on Twitter. |
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Post by middleenglander on Jul 15, 2021 22:52:18 GMT
Council website says results will be published by 10.00am Friday. Presumably means counting tonight. |
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Post by peterl on Jul 15, 2021 23:00:46 GMT
Are Cllrs responsible for doctors' appointments? No. But neither are they responsible for other items on that list. There is an expectation that councillors will lobby for the community generally. Whether that should be so is another matter. Keeping an area clean and tidy is a council responsibility, e.g. street cleaning, addressing fly-tipping, providing litter bins etc. Anti-social behaviour is an area that the council is at least somewhat involved with. |
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Post by phil156 on Jul 15, 2021 23:06:45 GMT
Are they counting tonight?
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Post by middleenglander on Jul 15, 2021 23:11:29 GMT
Are they counting tonight? I refer to my earlier posting at 23.52 |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 15, 2021 23:12:26 GMT
Are they counting tonight? see middleenglander post upthread- we assume so edit: just beaten to it by the man himself! |
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Post by jamesmanc22 on Jul 15, 2021 23:26:56 GMT
Are they counting tonight? I refer to my earlier posting at 23.52 It's a tory gain . Waiting on numbers |
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Post by middleenglander on Jul 15, 2021 23:28:35 GMT
Sandwell, Tividale - Conservative gain from Labour| Party | 2021 B votes | 2021 B share | since 2021 | since 2019 | since 2018 | since 2016 | | Conservative | 986 | 52.6% | +5.6% | +29.5% | +20.7% | +32.0% | | Labour | 810 | 43.2% | -9.8% | -11.1% | -13.7% | -27.3% | | Independent | 40 | 2.1% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Liberal Democrat | 30 | 1.6% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | TUSC | 9 | 0.5% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Green |
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| -22.6% | -11.3% | -8.9% | | Total votes | 1,875 |
| 75% | 97% | 94% | 89% |
Swing: Labour to Conservative 7¾% since May, 20¼% since 2019, 17¼% since 2018 and 29¾% since 2016.
Council now: 59 Labour, 10 Conservative, 3 Independent (formerly Labour)
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Jul 16, 2021 5:42:55 GMT
Not surprised by the Conservative gain. Though I thought that as the Labour candidate was the husband of the deceased Councillor this might mean they just held onto the seat.
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Post by andrewp on Jul 16, 2021 6:24:49 GMT
Not surprised by the Conservative gain. Though I thought that as the Labour candidate was the husband of the deceased Councillor this might mean they just held onto the seat. I thought the Labour candidate being the widower of the deceased councillor, might just hold it for them too. |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 16, 2021 6:52:32 GMT
Not surprised by the Conservative gain. Though I thought that as the Labour candidate was the husband of the deceased Councillor this might mean they just held onto the seat. I thought the Labour candidate being the widower of the deceased councillor, might just hold it for them too. I think that might have overestimated that sort of personal vote in these circumstances. This is somewhere where for so long this was a virtual one-party state where the dam is just starting to burst. I see no signs of a significant personal vote for the deceased councillor. While there might be some sort of sympathy vote for the widower, for some it would be seen as shroud waving or even a sense of entitlement that the ward should stay with the family. It is quite possible, though, that without that the personal element the swing would have been much bigger. If the one leaflet from Labour shown here is at all representative of their literature,my view is that it was exceptionally poor. Oh, and for those who expected a better performance from the LibDems, the comment on here that suggested that the effort amounted to a little social media presence says it all. I fear that there is a new Lib Dem belief in some quarters that elections can be impacted by a social media campaign. It remains my belief that unless backed up by a significant ground campaign social media is worse than useless, as it mostly reaches people who aren't going to vote anyway, or who will vote for the opposition. |
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Post by iang on Jul 16, 2021 8:00:59 GMT
Being local, I volunteered to help, but there was no contact, so as far as I am aware, no leafletting was done (could be wrong). Even in the good old days, there wasn't much activity in that end of Sandwell, and what activity there has been in recent years is still very much around Great Barr, ie the area we used to hold (as said upthread, Tividale did have a Lib Dem cllr in the early 90s but that was once, and a fluke). My impression is that the last ten years has seen some local parties contract to virtually nothing, and therefore there is no activity in the traditional sense. And for us, local campaigning matters, so if that stops (and covid has restricted it everywhere of course), there isn't much else to persuade people to vote LD
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 16, 2021 8:08:20 GMT
Being local, I volunteered to help, but there was no contact, so as far as I am aware, no leafletting was done (could be wrong). Even in the good old days, there wasn't much activity in that end of Sandwell, and what activity there has been in recent years is still very much around Great Barr, ie the area we used to hold (as said upthread, Tividale did have a Lib Dem cllr in the early 90s but that was once, and a fluke). My impression is that the last ten years has seen some local parties contract to virtually nothing, and therefore there is no activity in the traditional sense. And for us, local campaigning matters, so if that stops (and covid has restricted it everywhere of course), there isn't much else to persuade people to vote LD That does tend to cofirm my impression from afar. The contrast within the LDs between those areas still bustling with activity and those virtually moribund is immense. Some of the moribund areas are not necessarily short of members but they are desperately short of activists. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jul 16, 2021 8:31:12 GMT
Being local, I volunteered to help, but there was no contact, so as far as I am aware, no leafletting was done (could be wrong). Even in the good old days, there wasn't much activity in that end of Sandwell, and what activity there has been in recent years is still very much around Great Barr, ie the area we used to hold (as said upthread, Tividale did have a Lib Dem cllr in the early 90s but that was once, and a fluke). My impression is that the last ten years has seen some local parties contract to virtually nothing, and therefore there is no activity in the traditional sense. And for us, local campaigning matters, so if that stops (and covid has restricted it everywhere of course), there isn't much else to persuade people to vote LD Well, if it was an experiment to demonstrate the sheer uselessness of social media-only campaigning with no paper going through doors, it succeeded on those terms. |
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