WJ
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Post by WJ on Jun 22, 2021 11:55:47 GMT
Jeffrey Donaldson was the only candidate for leader of the DUP, so a by-election is now an inevitability.
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Post by stb12 on Jun 22, 2021 12:23:54 GMT
Not actually necessary until he’s co-opted/elected to the assembly but
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 22, 2021 12:42:08 GMT
If he wants to be MLA for Lagan Valley, he'd have to persuade one of the two DUP MLAs to resign for him. That would be Edwin Poots MLA (the leader for 21 days who Donaldson pushed out), and Paul Givan MLA (the First Minister for a week who has also been ordered to resign). So good luck with that.
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 22, 2021 12:44:41 GMT
Thought it was already established that it doesn't have to be a Lagan Valley MLA, could be one from the DUP elsewhere?
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 22, 2021 12:49:17 GMT
Thought it was already established that it doesn't have to be a Lagan Valley MLA, could be one from the DUP elsewhere? Fermanagh and South Tyrone, perhaps?🤔 |
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Post by stb12 on Jun 22, 2021 12:56:35 GMT
Thought it was already established that it doesn't have to be a Lagan Valley MLA, could be one from the DUP elsewhere? Fermanagh and South Tyrone, perhaps?🤔 Arlene Foster may not want to give them the satisfaction |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 12:58:49 GMT
I take it that:
a) You can't 'double-hat' in Northern Ireland
b) It's assumed essential that the leader of the DUP has to be in the Assembly (& First Minister) rather than at Westminster
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 22, 2021 13:04:43 GMT
Fermanagh and South Tyrone, perhaps?🤔 Arlene Foster may not want to give them the satisfaction True, but after seeing her usurper Poots get the Caesar treatment, she may feel enough satisfaction herself to let go. Also, if I were her, I wouldn't want to go back to Stormont after all this. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 22, 2021 13:04:58 GMT
Could he arrange to try and swap with one of the others?
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 22, 2021 13:15:08 GMT
I take it that: a) You can't 'double-hat' in Northern Ireland b) It's assumed essential that the leader of the DUP has to be in the Assembly (& First Minister) rather than at Westminster a) This is true. b) He has hinted that he would want to lead from Stormont, but there doesn't seem to be a hard-and-fast requirement for it. Looking at other parties, Colum Eastwood is leading SDLP from Westminster.
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 22, 2021 13:21:30 GMT
I take it that: a) You can't 'double-hat' in Northern Ireland b) It's assumed essential that the leader of the DUP has to be in the Assembly (& First Minister) rather than at Westminster a) This is true. b) He has hinted that he would want to lead from Stormont, but there doesn't seem to be a hard-and-fast requirement for it. Looking at other parties, Colum Eastwood is leading SDLP from Westminster.
He is not really needed as much in Westminster now the Tories have chucked the DUP into the dustbin of history, and he would certainly be there more than SinnFein if he spent more time in his constituency! |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 22, 2021 13:28:27 GMT
He has made it clear that he intends to be First Minister. As long as Sinn Fein agree. That means a by election for the Westminster seat whatever happens.
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Post by stb12 on Jun 22, 2021 13:31:37 GMT
I take it that: a) You can't 'double-hat' in Northern Ireland b) It's assumed essential that the leader of the DUP has to be in the Assembly (& First Minister) rather than at Westminster a) This is true. b) He has hinted that he would want to lead from Stormont, but there doesn't seem to be a hard-and-fast requirement for it. Looking at other parties, Colum Eastwood is leading SDLP from Westminster.
Which is ironic because I believe he challenged the last leader on the basis that an Irish Nationalist party couldn't be led from Westminster. CatholicLeft probably knows more? |
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Post by stb12 on Jun 22, 2021 13:33:25 GMT
Could he arrange to try and swap with one of the others? Yes but possibly a hard sell as a by-election could feasibly be lost even if its unlikely, while the Assembly co-option is guaranteed and the STV system guarantees re-election even on a difficult day. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 22, 2021 14:11:15 GMT
Could he arrange to try and swap with one of the others? Yes but possibly a hard sell as a by-election could feasibly be lost even if its unlikely, while the Assembly co-option is guaranteed and the STV system guarantees re-election even on a difficult day. You can discuss the safety of seats under STV with Brenda Hale! |
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Post by stb12 on Jun 22, 2021 14:33:01 GMT
Yes but possibly a hard sell as a by-election could feasibly be lost even if its unlikely, while the Assembly co-option is guaranteed and the STV system guarantees re-election even on a difficult day. You can discuss the safety of seats under STV with Brenda Hale! Haha point taken. Better phrase probably is that it’s guaranteed for someone with leadership name recognition |
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 22, 2021 14:41:55 GMT
You can discuss the safety of seats under STV with Brenda Hale! Haha point taken. Better phrase probably is that it’s guaranteed for someone with leadership name recognition Ah, like Poots! (leadership name recognition like a camera flash). To be fair with only two DUPs it is a lot safer, although maybe the "Return of the UUP" is on the cards |
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Post by samdwebber on Jun 22, 2021 14:47:55 GMT
The Alliance seem up for the impending by-election:
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jun 22, 2021 17:44:28 GMT
The Alliance seem up for the impending by-election: This will be the NI version of chesham and amersham mark my words |
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Post by relique on Jun 22, 2021 19:52:34 GMT
Will the nationalists stand ? They didn't in North Down and East Belfast last time when they smelt unionist blood. They took close to 3,000 votes in 2019.
It could go a long way helping Alliance take it from the DUP
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