maxque
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Post by maxque on Jan 14, 2023 23:58:20 GMT
If that is the only occasion, as I said elsewhere, it's a totally different matter & should or would not be a disciplinary matter. Stop being so naive. In Labour, a disciplinary matter is any event Labour First and the unelected employees decide to use to get rid of someone they don't like. |
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Post by batman on Jan 15, 2023 3:57:46 GMT
It's not quite as simple as that. There are very, very few expulsions which do not have a very good justification. Mostly they are because of over-zealous interpretation of the proscriptions. This looks like one of those. I'm a very keen follower of Labour's disciplinary matters and regularly both report and defend people (I've just sent a defence letter in to defend a member who has been maliciously reported by a left-winger who dislikes him & has trawled through a decade of his posts looking for something) and am very far indeed from naive. We have not yet got to the point that Labour To Win has a totally free hand in expelling people; if we do I shall have plenty to say about it.
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 15, 2023 10:23:24 GMT
Well yes, when his chairing a meeting with Williamson was mentioned everybody naturally assumed that had been post 2019 GE. Which would indeed be pretty close to an expellable offence on its own, and quite rightly so IMO. As things stand, either there is something we are not being told (which is quite possible, due to how Labour conducts its disciplinary processes - though that is unfortunately inevitable to a degree for legal reasons) or this looks an decision on dubious grounds. And these have been successfully appealed in the past, and surely will be in the future too.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jan 15, 2023 10:58:12 GMT
Momentum dropped Pete Willsman and wouldn't support NWI neither of whom were expelled at the time. Can't see them platforming Chris post 2019
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 15, 2023 11:06:27 GMT
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Post by mattbewilson on Jan 15, 2023 11:18:56 GMT
maybe that's why he Cal was expelled? |
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Post by matureleft on Jan 15, 2023 11:22:35 GMT
maybe that's why he Cal was expelled? Regrettably (but for reasons of confidentiality and to avoid legal complications, I think) we don’t get an account of the reasons for disciplinary action except through the filter of the person disciplined. |
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Post by greenchristian on Feb 21, 2023 19:20:24 GMT
Both of the suspended Labour councillors in Coventry are officially back in the Labour group.
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Post by kevinf on Feb 21, 2023 20:48:40 GMT
maybe that's why he Cal was expelled? No, he printed his expulsion letter in full. It’s on the Portsmouth thread. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Feb 21, 2023 21:05:45 GMT
maybe that's why he Cal was expelled? No, he printed his expulsion letter in full. It’s on the Portsmouth thread. I have since read it |
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Post by Rutlander on Mar 4, 2023 14:03:42 GMT
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YL
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Post by YL on Mar 4, 2023 14:09:54 GMT
What does having the whip withdrawn for six months mean when there are all up elections to the council in two months' time?
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Mar 4, 2023 14:22:05 GMT
For me this is what bring political parties into disrepute; not ever being allowed to say anything outside a set line. It seems within political parties you have two choices, be an Ostrich or be ostracised. |
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Post by kevinf on Mar 4, 2023 17:03:12 GMT
What does having the whip withdrawn for six months mean when there are all up elections to the council in two months' time? Basically, it means they can’t stand for their party |
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YL
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Post by YL on Mar 4, 2023 20:03:21 GMT
What does having the whip withdrawn for six months mean when there are all up elections to the council in two months' time? Basically, it means they can’t stand for their party As I assumed, so in this situation the penalty is rather extreme for the supposed "crime". |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 4, 2023 20:25:58 GMT
I'm sure Pep Guardiola would be perfectly happy to see a Man City player decide at some point in a game that they want to help their opponents score a goal.
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Mar 4, 2023 21:37:59 GMT
I'm sure Pep Guardiola would be perfectly happy to see a Man City player decide at some point in a game that they want to help their opponents score a goal. If it helped relegate Man U or Liverpool on goals scored he probably would be. Imposition of views within parties makes them undemocratic and ultimately feeds into lack of trust in politicians, especially at a national level. I know the media makes an issue of different views but they only get away with that because modern politicians don't have the balls to say this is Government/Council policy but members of our democratic parties including elected members are free to campaign and vote against if they wish. (Cabinet responsibility non withstanding). It is this lack of freedom that will prevent me joining any political party in any future I can see. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Mar 4, 2023 21:44:07 GMT
So is Giovanna Lewis an ex-comrade yet, now she's been sent to prison?
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ricmk
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Post by ricmk on Mar 4, 2023 21:45:05 GMT
What would Pep Guardiola have to say about a player who described him as “He seems to be an agent of Israel, I wonder what they can offer him.” Cllr Nangreave seems to have plenty of previous: www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/labour-councillor-suspended-ahead-antisemitism-6226913Her account was also alleged to have shared a post stating ‘Zionism is terrorism’ with the hashtag ‘#HangTheGoddamnBankers’. I am not sure supporting a move to a cabinet system is a serious offence - but Cllr Nangreave has provided one of 5 signatures needed for an emergency full council on the matter when it needed a Labour vote - so actively conspiring with the opposition against her own party. Brave move just before all-out elections. |
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Post by batman on Mar 4, 2023 21:48:59 GMT
Having said some of the things she has, she has been fortunate to keep the Labour Whip as long as she has. She will be no loss.
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