The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 14, 2024 11:24:43 GMT
Michael Foot advised voters to vote for his brother Dingle, the liberal candidate in a neighbouring constituency. Presumably that is when DF stood for North Cornwall in 1950 and 1951 - the one seat in the whole of England where Labour have never finished higher than third. That may have been a mitigating factor, but tbh I am still surprised he was allowed to do it even then. It is generally agreed across parties that the best thing to do in that admittedly awkward situation, is to stay schtum in public. |
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batman
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Post by batman on Apr 14, 2024 13:11:24 GMT
Michael Foot advised voters to vote for his brother Dingle, the liberal candidate in a neighbouring constituency. For the Tory party to suspend a member for supporting her husband is a shameful rejection of family values and the institution of marriage. There was an incident a few years back when a Conservative councillor was suspended (or possibly expelled) for signing her UKIP husband's nomination papers for a council election. some may remember when Nick Griffin’s mother was expelled from the Conservative Party for answering a call on the BNP’s “hotline” which was in the Griffin family home. |
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Post by pl on Apr 14, 2024 17:43:21 GMT
Michael Foot advised voters to vote for his brother Dingle, the liberal candidate in a neighbouring constituency. For the Tory party to suspend a member for supporting her husband is a shameful rejection of family values and the institution of marriage. There was an incident a few years back when a Conservative councillor was suspended (or possibly expelled) for signing her UKIP husband's nomination papers for a council election. I was once the agent in a situation like this. A County Councillor lost a reselection vote. He decided to stand as an Independent. His wife, who was a District Councillor, signed his nomination papers. He lost. She was suspended from the party, and therefore the District Council group. No-one should ever underestimate how angry a group of hard working activists can be about situations like this. For a councillor to openly support someone (even their husband) standing against the official candidate is considered unforgivable. Why would anyone want to help her come the next election? |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 14, 2024 17:54:51 GMT
Michael Foot advised voters to vote for his brother Dingle, the liberal candidate in a neighbouring constituency. Presumably that is when DF stood for North Cornwall in 1950 and 1951 - the one seat in the whole of England where Labour have never finished higher than third. That may have been a mitigating factor, but tbh I am still surprised he was allowed to do it even then. It is generally agreed across parties that the best thing to do in that admittedly awkward situation, is to stay schtum in public. It probably helped that Dingle was well-known to be Labour adjacent and ended up as MP for Ipswich. |
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Post by john07 on Apr 14, 2024 18:34:50 GMT
Michael Foot advised voters to vote for his brother Dingle, the liberal candidate in a neighbouring constituency. For the Tory party to suspend a member for supporting her husband is a shameful rejection of family values and the institution of marriage. There was an incident a few years back when a Conservative councillor was suspended (or possibly expelled) for signing her UKIP husband's nomination papers for a council election. In Stockport for the inaugral 1973 Metropolitan District elections, Labour candidate Maureen Marston was opposed by her husband who stood for the Communists in Offerton-Vernon Ward. He took 129 votes and helped the Liberals to take two of the three seats and ensure that Maureen was not elected. Maurice Mendleson did take one seat for Labour. He was a Jewish emigree who had fought in the Spanish Civil War. He was a market trader and my mother always bought her handbags from him. He had earlier acquired some attention when his daughter Anna was arrested and jailed as a member of the Angry Brigade. |
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Apr 14, 2024 19:16:12 GMT
There was an incident a few years back when a Conservative councillor was suspended (or possibly expelled) for signing her UKIP husband's nomination papers for a council election. In Stockport for the inaugral 1973 Metropolitan District elections, Labour candidate Maureen Marston was opposed by her husband who stood for the Communists in Offerton-Vernon Ward. He took 129 votes and helped the Liberals to take two of the three seats and ensure that Maureen was not elected. Maurice Mendleson did take one seat for Labour. He was a Jewish emigree who had fought in the Spanish Civil War. He was a market trader and my mother always bought her handbags from him. He had earlier acquired some attention when his daughter Anna was arrested and jailed as a member of the Angry Brigade. Lordy, Maureen Marston, there's a blast from the past. |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 14, 2024 23:46:45 GMT
There was an incident a few years back when a Conservative councillor was suspended (or possibly expelled) for signing her UKIP husband's nomination papers for a council election. I was once the agent in a situation like this. A County Councillor lost a reselection vote. He decided to stand as an Independent. His wife, who was a District Councillor, signed his nomination papers. He lost. She was suspended from the party, and therefore the District Council group. No-one should ever underestimate how angry a group of hard working activists can be about situations like this. For a councillor to openly support someone (even their husband) standing against the official candidate is considered unforgivable. Why would anyone want to help her come the next election? You place the 'justified' anger of localist party hacks as superior to the calls of family solidarity, deep friendship and even the bond and love within a marriage?! Shame on you. Nothing is more important than deep friendship, loving marital support and family loyalties. Anyone placing party above those attributes is not someone I would wish to know or to have dealings with. They are the sort of people who would shop their neighbours or join the STASI as informers. It is an absolute divde in character and disposition between the organic and the abstract, the Danton and the Robespierre. |
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Apr 15, 2024 10:15:54 GMT
Of course, you can argue the family loyalty card the other way round - if family loyalty is so strong why had she not already quit the party after her dear hubby was forced out...
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ricmk
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Post by ricmk on Apr 15, 2024 10:33:55 GMT
It strikes me that there are lots of ways to help out a spouse against your party subtly. There are plenty of letters to stuff, calls to make, driving to do, and you'll probably get away with some delivering.
But to be featured in the big campaign photo op - that's just asking for trouble and hard to have much sympathy there.
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Max
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Post by Max on Apr 15, 2024 11:34:39 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 15, 2024 12:38:30 GMT
Two of the most of the most impressive political figures of postwar Germany were the Vogel brothers. Hans-Jochen was a SPD member, and Bernhard joined the CDU. They ended up on opposing benches in at least one Bundestag session.
Hans-Jochen became mayor of Munich, before joining Brandt's cabinet. He was then drafted in to be mayor of West Berlin as the local SPD collapsed into infighting. Whilst he couldn't save them from electoral disaster, he was widely regarded as a competent and affable bloke. This also made him the first and only person to be mayor of two of Germany's most populous cities. He then went into the Bundestag and ended up leading the SPD.
Bernie mostly made his base in Rhineland-Palatinate. He then became minister - president, and twice president of the Bundesrat. After over a decade in charge, he retired. Or so they thought. He then resurfaced after reunification as minister president of Thuringia, and did another decade. He is the first and only person to run two German Länder, and is the longest-serving Minister-President.
Hans-Jochen has passed away but Bernie is still with us and still giving interviews and expressing his views even though he is over 90.
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Post by Rutlander on Apr 18, 2024 15:04:54 GMT
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Post by hullenedge on May 2, 2024 12:05:56 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 2, 2024 12:33:11 GMT
"Another of the five people implicated is Shahid Malik, a former MP for Dewsbury" I'd forgotten all about that nasty little fucker |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 2, 2024 12:34:59 GMT
He speaks very highly of you.
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Post by notabrummie on May 8, 2024 10:55:48 GMT
Walsall Council leader Mike Bird and fellow borough Councillor Suky Samra have been suspended by the Conservative Party. The sanctions have been dished out following an investigation into complaints made by members, which has been ongoing for more than two years.
It is believed Councillor Bird has been suspended for three months which will be followed by a further suspension from holding a leadership post within the party for 12 months. Councillor Samra has also been suspended by the party although he has sat as an independent since March last year. Both have 28 days to issue an appeal against the sanctions.
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Post by Yaffles on May 8, 2024 11:04:00 GMT
Walsall Council leader Mike Bird and fellow borough Councillor Suky Samra have been suspended by the Conservative Party. The sanctions have been dished out following an investigation into complaints made by members, which has been ongoing for more than two years. It is believed Councillor Bird has been suspended for three months which will be followed by a further suspension from holding a leadership post within the party for 12 months. Councillor Samra has also been suspended by the party although he has sat as an independent since March last year. Both have 28 days to issue an appeal against the sanctions. So can he remain as Leader? Surely the Tories will now elect a new leader.... |
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Post by Rutlander on May 8, 2024 13:27:30 GMT
Walsall Council leader Mike Bird and fellow borough Councillor Suky Samra have been suspended by the Conservative Party. The sanctions have been dished out following an investigation into complaints made by members, which has been ongoing for more than two years. It is believed Councillor Bird has been suspended for three months which will be followed by a further suspension from holding a leadership post within the party for 12 months. Councillor Samra has also been suspended by the party although he has sat as an independent since March last year. Both have 28 days to issue an appeal against the sanctions. So can he remain as Leader? Surely the Tories will now elect a new leader... ; "A spokesperson for Walsall Council told the BBC that Mr Bird can remain as the leader of the authority during the suspension. “This is a matter for the Conservative Party. According to the Local Government Act, actions taken by any political party do not exclude an elected member from continuing as a councillor.”" |
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Post by Yaffles on May 8, 2024 13:51:13 GMT
So can he remain as Leader? Surely the Tories will now elect a new leader... ; "A spokesperson for Walsall Council told the BBC that Mr Bird can remain as the leader of the authority during the suspension. “This is a matter for the Conservative Party. According to the Local Government Act, actions taken by any political party do not exclude an elected member from continuing as a councillor.”" That may be technically true but if Walsall works like other councils they will hold party group meetings to elect a leader candidate in the run up to the AGM. And surely that can't be Cllr Bird?  |
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on May 8, 2024 14:30:16 GMT
is he a “strong leader” who serves until the end of his term of office as a councillor? if so there will have tobe a positive vote to remove him, not a routine “who is leader this year” vote.
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