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Post by tonyhill on Mar 5, 2023 18:26:16 GMT
OK, fair enough if they are minor policies that you consider insignificant in the grand scheme of things. I left the LibDems for a year over the First Gulf War, opposed the Coalition, and might not have voted for them in 2019 had there been an alternative because I thought 'revoke' was so stupid. Although I am still a member I wish they were doing something that would enthuse me again.
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Post by batman on Mar 5, 2023 18:44:36 GMT
Many people join the Labour Party because they are in general support of socialist ideology, even though they may disagree with not only some individual policies but even with its general outlook at that time. We are a more ideological party than most others even though ideology has taken a back seat with a majority of its leaders including Keir Starmer. I myself am broadly in that position, but I understand that if I am to be a member I have to abide by the party's rules, very much including supporting the election of Labour candidates in elections and not advocating for the election of opposing ones. I left the party when I felt unable to abide by that (though as most here know that was far from the sole reason), but thankfully my absence was not a long one.
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Post by r34t on Mar 6, 2023 12:08:28 GMT
We all have the choice of being in a political party or campaign, (which will involve some compromises) or being the independent individual & be beholden to no-one.
That is a ‘choice’ only because being an independent has more limited opportunities to bring about change. Or oppose change. Or whatever.
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Post by pl on Mar 6, 2023 12:18:58 GMT
We all have the choice of being in a political party or campaign, (which will involve some compromises) or being the independent individual & be beholden to no-one. That is a ‘choice’ only because being an independent has more limited opportunities to bring about change. Or oppose change. Or whatever. Most real Indys I've meet seem to either a) enjoy the moral purity of opposing everything without responsibility for anything or b) want to be a councillor but actually do very little |
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Post by r34t on Mar 6, 2023 12:27:52 GMT
We all have the choice of being in a political party or campaign, (which will involve some compromises) or being the independent individual & be beholden to no-one. That is a ‘choice’ only because being an independent has more limited opportunities to bring about change. Or oppose change. Or whatever. Most real Indys I've meet seem to either a) enjoy the moral purity of opposing everything without responsibility for anything or b) want to be a councillor but actually do very little agree, although we have some indies locally who are parish councillors as well as on the unitary council for their village. They do work locally, but nothing is of any importance outside the boundary line !! |
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Post by pl on Mar 6, 2023 12:45:59 GMT
Most real Indys I've meet seem to either a) enjoy the moral purity of opposing everything without responsibility for anything or b) want to be a councillor but actually do very little agree, although we have some indies locally who are parish councillors as well as on the unitary council for their village. They do work locally, but nothing is of any importance outside the boundary line !! Indeed. I've lost count of the times I've had to tell cllrs that they were a representative of their ward on a district that makes decisions for the whole district. They are not a delegate just for their ward/parish/area. |
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Post by r34t on Mar 6, 2023 12:53:22 GMT
agree, although we have some indies locally who are parish councillors as well as on the unitary council for their village. They do work locally, but nothing is of any importance outside the boundary line !! Indeed. I've lost count of the times I've had to tell cllrs that they were a representative of their ward on a district that makes decisions for the whole district. They are not a delegate just for their ward/parish/area. Yes !! although not technically independent, as they are down on the ballot as 'XXX First' ...... |
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Post by Rutlander on Mar 13, 2023 22:35:22 GMT
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Post by mattbewilson on Mar 13, 2023 22:52:45 GMT
I think Ross has already been suspended. Shame about Patrick, I first got involved in Leicester politics thanks to Patrick. |
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Post by dundas on Mar 14, 2023 17:03:47 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 14, 2023 17:49:58 GMT
Yes it has, back in January when this report dates from. As she is suspended she wouldn't be able to stand unless she stood as an indie which would indicate a self awareness level of below zero.
The big question is whether the money intended for the domestic violence charities has been returned to the donors , given that they wouldn't accept it. No news on that.
Oh, and also whether Tommy Robinson has chipped in for all the police overtime.
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Post by YL on Mar 14, 2023 18:05:11 GMT
Barrow Borough Council is being abolished at the end of this month anyway, though she could stand for the new Town Council.
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Post by dundas on Mar 14, 2023 19:46:11 GMT
Yes it has, back in January when this report dates from. As she is suspended she wouldn't be able to stand unless she stood as an indie which would indicate a self awareness level of below zero.
The big question is whether the money intended for the domestic violence charities has been returned to the donors , given that they wouldn't accept it. No news on that.
Oh, and also whether Tommy Robinson has chipped in for all the police overtime.
Surrly the big question is whether the electorate in Barrow Island continue to vote for Labour councillors or if they can be tempted by a well run independent campaigner who gets a free run at it. |
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Post by maxque on Mar 14, 2023 20:46:26 GMT
Yes it has, back in January when this report dates from. As she is suspended she wouldn't be able to stand unless she stood as an indie which would indicate a self awareness level of below zero.
The big question is whether the money intended for the domestic violence charities has been returned to the donors , given that they wouldn't accept it. No news on that.
Oh, and also whether Tommy Robinson has chipped in for all the police overtime.
Surrly the big question is whether the electorate in Barrow Island continue to vote for Labour councillors or if they can be tempted by a well run independent campaigner who gets a free run at it. Barrow is being abolished in weeks, and the new unitary elections were last year (it's now run by the Liberal Democrats). |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 15, 2023 11:50:50 GMT
There is still the new Barrow Town Council as mentioned above, though I don't know if it still has a stand alone Barrow Island division or not.
She continues to insist that at least some of what her daughter claimed was true btw, I will leave others to judge that.
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Post by r34t on Mar 15, 2023 13:10:08 GMT
There is still the new Barrow Town Council as mentioned above, though I don't know if it still has a stand alone Barrow Island division or not. She continues to insist that at least some of what her daughter claimed was true btw, I will leave others to judge that. The snip I heard from her seemed to be more about not chucking her daughter under a bus, rather than agreeing with her claims, which I get. Very difficult. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Mar 15, 2023 13:26:57 GMT
There is still the new Barrow Town Council as mentioned above, though I don't know if it still has a stand alone Barrow Island division or not. She continues to insist that at least some of what her daughter claimed was true btw, I will leave others to judge that. The snip I heard from her seemed to be more about not chucking her daughter under a bus, rather than agreeing with her claims, which I get. Very difficult. She does claim that some of what her daughter says is true, and doesn't believe she could have caused the injuries. I suspect it is a mother's inability to believe that her child could be so damaged as to do, or claim, such dreasful things. |
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Post by carolus on Mar 15, 2023 14:40:47 GMT
There is still the new Barrow Town Council as mentioned above, though I don't know if it still has a stand alone Barrow Island division or not. |
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Post by dundas on Mar 15, 2023 17:40:20 GMT
Surrly the big question is whether the electorate in Barrow Island continue to vote for Labour councillors or if they can be tempted by a well run independent campaigner who gets a free run at it. Barrow is being abolished in weeks, and the new unitary elections were last year (it's now run by the Liberal Democrats). The Lib Dems are a distant third in Old Barrow and Hindpool, a safe Labour district. |
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Post by Rutlander on May 23, 2023 6:24:21 GMT
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