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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on May 24, 2021 17:48:09 GMT
We should have a sweepstake, sorry poll , on the potential turnout. Shall I start with 10? But do I mean percent turnout? Or raw numbers? Perhaps they could gather under the Electing Acre in Old Sarum. |
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Post by yellowperil on May 24, 2021 18:49:36 GMT
New Lib Dem candidate, Brian Mathew, councillor for Box and Colerne on Wiltshire Council linkDoes that mean when he gets in there will have to be a by-election in Box and Colerne? |
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Post by andrew111 on May 24, 2021 19:00:59 GMT
New Lib Dem candidate, Brian Mathew, councillor for Box and Colerne on Wiltshire Council linkDoes that mean when he gets in there will have to be a by-election in Box and Colerne? Sounds like a novel pugilistic education scheme... |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 19, 2021 10:13:52 GMT
Wonder if the LibDems might be fancying their chances in this after Thursday?
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jun 19, 2021 10:16:14 GMT
Wonder if the LibDems might be fancying their chances in this after Thursday? Got my first appeal for cash on Friday, about tea-time. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jun 19, 2021 10:28:39 GMT
New Lib Dem candidate, Brian Mathew, councillor for Box and Colerne on Wiltshire Council link“This is your old mate Brian Mathew saying that's the lot for this election, see you next cycle” |
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Post by samdwebber on Jul 9, 2021 8:52:14 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 9, 2021 9:12:48 GMT
While I think trying to hide the truth is unacceptable, I don't think that these posts should have different rules from any other public office |
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Post by samdwebber on Jul 9, 2021 9:52:19 GMT
A reminder of the results from the May 6th election www.wiltshire.gov.uk/news/pcc-results-2021The results of the first preference votes are as follows: Junab Ali (Labour): 34147 Julian Malins (Reform UK): 4348 Brig Oubridge (Green): 16606 Mike Rees (Independent): 31722 Jonathon Seed (Conservative): 84885 Liz Webster (Liberal Democrats): 35013 The total number of valid first and second preference votes cast for the remaining candidates is: Jonathon Seed (Conservative): 100,003 Liz Webster (Liberal Democrats): 58,074 |
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Post by neilm on Jul 9, 2021 10:20:22 GMT
Can someone clarify something for me?
You can't be a PCC if convicted of something that could lead to imprisonment, whether or not a lesser penalty was applied. That's clear.
Seed says
What does he mean by this? That he couldn't have been sentenced, as the rules at the time didn't list this particular instance of being over the limit as severe enough? Or was it that the 'sentencing authorities' (the magistrates I assume) couldn't imprison him for this (which seems unlikely, but this was almost 30 years ago and I've no idea what their powers were regarding this offence at that point), or was it that the sentencing guidelines recommended against but that the law allowed for it if deemed necessary by the bench?
On another note, what about people who've been convicted and are subsequently pardoned?
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Post by matureleft on Jul 9, 2021 10:29:30 GMT
I'd have thought that any mildly assertive campaign by credible opposition candidates will win this, with the additional preference applied. The turnout will be shocking but the Tory vote will be depressed and opposition votes inflated based on irritation at the incompetent Tory performance here leading to a huge waste of public money.
These are silly posts, invented by the Conservatives, and the qualification rules are unreasonable, but we are where we are and a kicking is merited.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 11:44:22 GMT
I'd have thought that any mildly assertive campaign by credible opposition candidates will win this, with the additional preference applied. The turnout will be shocking but the Tory vote will be depressed and opposition votes inflated based on irritation at the incompetent Tory performance here leading to a huge waste of public money. These are silly posts, invented by the Conservatives, and the qualification rules are unreasonable, but we are where we are and a kicking is merited. However this is one of the most true Blue Tory counties anywhere. In Somerset or even Gloucestershire the Tories would probably be toast but this area ought to be much safer for them |
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Post by bjornhattan on Jul 9, 2021 12:10:29 GMT
I'd have thought that any mildly assertive campaign by credible opposition candidates will win this, with the additional preference applied. The turnout will be shocking but the Tory vote will be depressed and opposition votes inflated based on irritation at the incompetent Tory performance here leading to a huge waste of public money. These are silly posts, invented by the Conservatives, and the qualification rules are unreasonable, but we are where we are and a kicking is merited. However this is one of the most true Blue Tory counties anywhere. In Somerset or even Gloucestershire the Tories would probably be toast but this area ought to be much safer for them It's also a county where the non-Tory vote is split fairly evenly between Labour (mainly Swindon but also Salisbury) and the Lib Dems (mainly in the west Wiltshire towns). AV makes that less of an issue but doesn't remove it entirely, because neither the votes of working class Labour voting Swindonians nor those of well heeled Bradford-on-Avon Lib Dems are likely to transfer very much. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 12:28:13 GMT
However this is one of the most true Blue Tory counties anywhere. In Somerset or even Gloucestershire the Tories would probably be toast but this area ought to be much safer for them It's also a county where the non-Tory vote is split fairly evenly between Labour (mainly Swindon but also Salisbury) and the Lib Dems (mainly in the west Wiltshire towns). AV makes that less of an issue but doesn't remove it entirely, because neither the votes of working class Labour voting Swindonians nor those of well heeled Bradford-on-Avon Lib Dems are likely to transfer very much. Will Priti Patel have time to make it a FPTP election before August  |
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Post by peterl on Jul 9, 2021 12:30:33 GMT
Can someone clarify something for me? You can't be a PCC if convicted of something that could lead to imprisonment, whether or not a lesser penalty was applied. That's clear. Seed says What does he mean by this? That he couldn't have been sentenced, as the rules at the time didn't list this particular instance of being over the limit as severe enough? Or was it that the 'sentencing authorities' (the magistrates I assume) couldn't imprison him for this (which seems unlikely, but this was almost 30 years ago and I've no idea what their powers were regarding this offence at that point), or was it that the sentencing guidelines recommended against but that the law allowed for it if deemed necessary by the bench? On another note, what about people who've been convicted and are subsequently pardoned? I read this as saying that sentencing guidelines would not indicate a custodial sentence for the given offence. The legislation on disqualification for PCCs however does not refer to sentencing guidelines but to what sentence can be given by law. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 9, 2021 13:40:55 GMT
I'd have thought that any mildly assertive campaign by credible opposition candidates will win this, with the additional preference applied. The turnout will be shocking but the Tory vote will be depressed and opposition votes inflated based on irritation at the incompetent Tory performance here leading to a huge waste of public money. These are silly posts, invented by the Conservatives, and the qualification rules are unreasonable, but we are where we are and a kicking is merited. Well, the problem will be that several opposition candidates will mount mildly assertive campaigns since second place was not so clear.. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 9, 2021 13:43:59 GMT
It's also a county where the non-Tory vote is split fairly evenly between Labour (mainly Swindon but also Salisbury) and the Lib Dems (mainly in the west Wiltshire towns). AV makes that less of an issue but doesn't remove it entirely, because neither the votes of working class Labour voting Swindonians nor those of well heeled Bradford-on-Avon Lib Dems are likely to transfer very much. Will Priti Patel have time to make it a FPTP election before August Probably she is thinking of how to give the Home Secretary the power to do that sort of thing.. |
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Post by peterl on Jul 29, 2021 21:03:27 GMT
Statement of Persons Nominated:
Junab Ali Labour Co-op (Swindon)
Julian Henry Malins Reform UK (Redlynch, just north of Salisbury)
Brian George Felton Mathew Liberal Democrats (Chippenham)
Mike Rees Independent (Brinkworth Division, somewhere near Malmesbury)
Philip Wilkinson Conservative (Devizes)
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jul 29, 2021 23:50:06 GMT
Julian Henry Malins Reform UK (Redlynch, just north of Salisbury) Brother of Humfrey, in case anyone was wondering what I was wondering. |
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Post by ricmk on Aug 4, 2021 8:44:09 GMT
Vote for your PCC to, err, sort the roads out and protect the greenbelt. All worthy causes but I'd be impressed with any PCC who could sort out highways maintenance and planning policy as well as do the day job.
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