Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 12, 2021 9:55:39 GMT
Will be interesting to see if the Lib Dems decide to throw the kitchen sink at it. On a low turnout with a good candidate and a decent campaing...well funny things do happen in PCC elections. Greens will probably stand and scupper Lib Dem chances They stood in the aborted contest. |
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mboy
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Post by mboy on May 12, 2021 9:58:42 GMT
Did they actually put in any effort though? The danger could be that acting under their "We will replace the Lib Dems" mantra they go for a deliberate spoiler to prevent Lib Dem breakthroughs anywhere.
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Post by curiousliberal on May 12, 2021 10:30:57 GMT
SV should limit the spoiler effect, to the extent that it even exists.
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 12, 2021 10:32:26 GMT
Did they actually put in any effort though? The danger could be that acting under their "We will replace the Lib Dems" mantra they go for a deliberate spoiler to prevent Lib Dem breakthroughs anywhere. That I can't say, but they got 16,606 votes to our 35,013 on first prefs. Bear in mind that there were all-out council elections in the county, and 1/3 elections in Swindon, I can't see that they wouldn't at least have mentioned their candidate on whatever leaflets they put out. As would we. |
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Post by peterl on May 12, 2021 10:45:46 GMT
By election will cost over £1 million. Hopefully opposition parties will put this fact on their leaflets. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 12, 2021 11:01:21 GMT
Onr might hope that in a decent sensible concept of practical politics the expense and the bother is avoided by letting the Conservatives nominate another person who is not in any way disqualified and leave that person to serve the term unopposed. Or would that just be too sensible?
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Post by mboy on May 12, 2021 11:19:20 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on May 12, 2021 11:28:04 GMT
Onr might hope that in a decent sensible concept of practical politics the expense and the bother is avoided by letting the Conservatives nominate another person who is not in any way disqualified and leave that person to serve the term unopposed. Or would that just be too sensible? I might have some genuine sympathy with the above view, if this wasn't happening *because of the rules the Tories themselves have put in place*. |
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Post by mboy on May 12, 2021 11:39:45 GMT
There's no way that people who get disqualified for posts should simply be replaced by the same party. Allowing that would be incentive for parties to run ineligible election winners to get eligible but unelectable people into post.
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Post by carlton43 on May 12, 2021 12:29:48 GMT
Onr might hope that in a decent sensible concept of practical politics the expense and the bother is avoided by letting the Conservatives nominate another person who is not in any way disqualified and leave that person to serve the term unopposed. Or would that just be too sensible? I might have some genuine sympathy with the above view, if this wasn't happening *because of the rules the Tories themselves have put in place*. That really should not make a difference. The rules would appear to flout the modern precept of redemption over time and to be ridiculously prescriptive. It is like the observance of the final part millimetre on the offside rule. We all know the intention of the offside rule and the intention of not having a dodgy former criminals or those with a dodgy past in place as commissioner. It is the modern obsession with nit-picking exactitude that we are having to deal now. I prefer a broad brush approach of referee decides, or in this case a committee can decide at an appropriate part of the Ministry. And I am never persuaded by the essentially rather nasty and mean-minded approach that the institutor of some rule or regulation should be held even more officiously to account as it were as some sort of retribution for having the rule at all. That is just so very small minded a concept. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 12, 2021 12:37:14 GMT
There's no way that people who get disqualified for posts should simply be replaced by the same party. Allowing that would be incentive for parties to run ineligible election winners to get eligible but unelectable people into post. No. It really wouldn't. That would be convoluted beyond belief to think a party would choose by deliberation a very popular but disqualified person merely to win the first round and then to install a fully qualified but far less popular person as a means to evade them possibly failing to get elected in a vote situation! Whatever next? You must have a very devious approach to life yourself even to have thought of it! |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on May 12, 2021 13:07:17 GMT
Radical idea, maybe we should follow the electoral rules, and have a competitive by-election.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 12, 2021 16:21:46 GMT
Long one.
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Harry Hayfield
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Post by Harry Hayfield on May 12, 2021 17:11:22 GMT
Ah, the PA getting one over on the AEA then who just announced the same thing! |
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Post by matureleft on May 12, 2021 17:12:19 GMT
I suppose this year might be a little different but you’d normally avoid August. The turnout, already likely to be shocking, will be worse still. As I said earlier an opportunity for an independent with some modest profile. |
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Post by Roger Harmer on May 12, 2021 18:31:49 GMT
The West Midlands PCC by election in 2014 was on 21st August and had a stonking 10.38% turnout.
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Post by finsobruce on May 13, 2021 17:59:09 GMT
The West Midlands PCC by election in 2014 was on 21st August and had a stonking 10.38% turnout. We should have a sweepstake, sorry poll , on the potential turnout. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on May 13, 2021 18:00:54 GMT
The West Midlands PCC by election in 2014 was on 21st August and had a stonking 10.38% turnout. We should have a sweepstake, sorry poll , on the potential turnout. Shall I start with 10? But do I mean percent turnout? Or raw numbers? |
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Post by finsobruce on May 13, 2021 18:38:29 GMT
We should have a sweepstake, sorry poll , on the potential turnout. Shall I start with 10? But do I mean percent turnout? Or raw numbers? Your bet Arthur, your call.  |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on May 24, 2021 15:51:21 GMT
New Lib Dem candidate, Brian Mathew, councillor for Box and Colerne on Wiltshire Council link |
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