hengo
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Post by hengo on May 13, 2021 11:26:09 GMT
I don’t know the details of this particular reorganisation. But I have to say , having had some second hand knowledge of another one,where some locally unpopular changes were being made , that I have sympathy with any medics who get involved with these. They give their professional advice on what actually would be the most effective way of delivering services - which is often counter intuitive to those with little depth of understanding of quite complex issues- ie most of us- and risk being hated for doing so.
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Post by justin124 on May 13, 2021 12:00:28 GMT
Then it should have been rebutted right away as an absolute top priority, it wasn't. If totally false, the allegation would surely be legally actionnable. Shades of what led to the Oldham MP being unseated and a by election forced on account of false statements made about LD candidate in 2010. |
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Post by WJ on May 13, 2021 12:08:37 GMT
a) why are the right so obsessed with pronouns? b) Do you actually know what a personal pronoun is? My pronoun is “esq”. Mine is comrade |
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Post by andrew111 on May 13, 2021 12:39:24 GMT
That is not much of a rebuttal to be honest! |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 13, 2021 14:08:23 GMT
That is not much of a rebuttal to be honest! I suspect it was accompanied by more local media - I seem to recall reports of a fairly heated exchange on a local radio hustings - and an extra leaflet. justin124 I don’t think it was actionably false as from what I can glean he was presented with a fait accompli after all other alternative proposals had been rejected by the CCG. |
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Post by andrew111 on May 13, 2021 14:54:18 GMT
That is not much of a rebuttal to be honest! I suspect it was accompanied by more local media - I seem to recall reports of a fairly heated exchange on a local radio hustings - and an extra leaflet. justin124 I don’t think it was actionably false as from what I can glean he was presented with a fait accompli after all other alternative proposals had been rejected by the CCG. Well what I mean is he said in that article something like "owing to Tory austerity I had no choice, and acted in the best interests of Hartlepool residents" He was never going to get away with that.. |
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Post by lancastrian on May 13, 2021 16:06:51 GMT
I suspect it was accompanied by more local media - I seem to recall reports of a fairly heated exchange on a local radio hustings - and an extra leaflet. justin124 I don’t think it was actionably false as from what I can glean he was presented with a fait accompli after all other alternative proposals had been rejected by the CCG. Well what I mean is he said in that article something like "owing to Tory austerity I had no choice, and acted in the best interests of Hartlepool residents" He was never going to get away with that.. Though here he is at the time, quoted as saying "This isn't about costs, it's not going to save money at all" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-22550675To me it sounds very similar to the situation which I would say lost Labour Burnley in 2010, and of course Wyre Forest in 2001. Plans to close or downgrade Hartlepool hospital also date back to the Blair years, even apparently far enough back to have been used by the Lib Dems when they came close to gaining the seat in the 2004 by-election www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/6977097.hartlepool-by-election-2004-hospital-housing-plan-dropped/Would Labour (or a former NHS commissioner) really oppose centralisation of hospital services if they were in government now? Edit: And this www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/shrewsbury/2019/11/05/labours-laura-davies-deselected-as-shrewsbury-candidate/ happened when Labour selected a doctor for Shrewsbury at the last general election. |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 13, 2021 16:25:18 GMT
I suspect it was accompanied by more local media - I seem to recall reports of a fairly heated exchange on a local radio hustings - and an extra leaflet. justin124 I don’t think it was actionably false as from what I can glean he was presented with a fait accompli after all other alternative proposals had been rejected by the CCG. Well what I mean is he said in that article something like "owing to Tory austerity I had no choice, and acted in the best interests of Hartlepool residents" He was never going to get away with that.. I don’t think that’s the entire story; it’s pretty typical local newspaper condensing a five year story into two paragraphs. From other sources, and my cousin has done some locum work at Hartlepool, the budget for a new hospital was cut by Jeremy Hunt, Williams was on a sub committee that drew up proposals for rejigging the budget that preserved most of the hospital, the CCG rejecting them, so it was a case of voting for the final CCG position as otherwise the Department of Health could reallocate the money and Hartlepool’s left with diddly squat. To be fair this isn’t unique to Conservative governments, Patricia Hewitt lopped 33% off the bed capacity at Stoke’s then new hospital, a position made worse by Hunt’s later decision to close much of Stafford County Hospital and bung the patients on to Royal Stoke. I think what the story doesn’t tell you either is the ongoing internal battle between primary care and hospitals; my now retired GP was/is a Labour supporter and donor, but was really critical of the Blair/Brown focus on new hospitals etc., at the expense of primary care, the results of which we’re probably seeing now in the shortage of GPs. |
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Post by andrew111 on May 13, 2021 17:32:18 GMT
The problem with centralising hospital services is they don't count the economic and societal costs of longer journey times etc. for visitors and ambulances, often in taxis.
Personally I think the GP system is pretty much broken in the UK, and 911 is useless.
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Post by greenhert on May 13, 2021 17:56:48 GMT
The problem with centralising hospital services is they don't count the economic and societal costs of longer journey times etc. for visitors and ambulances, often in taxis. Personally I think the GP system is pretty much broken in the UK, and 911 is useless. Everyone in the UK knows that it is 999 here; 911 is for the USA. |
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Post by bjornhattan on May 13, 2021 18:06:57 GMT
The problem with centralising hospital services is they don't count the economic and societal costs of longer journey times etc. for visitors and ambulances, often in taxis. Personally I think the GP system is pretty much broken in the UK, and 911 is useless. Everyone in the UK knows that it is 999 here; 911 is for the USA. Though if you ring 911 on a mobile phone in this country, apparently it will redirect you to 999. |
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Post by andrew111 on May 13, 2021 18:07:38 GMT
The problem with centralising hospital services is they don't count the economic and societal costs of longer journey times etc. for visitors and ambulances, often in taxis. Personally I think the GP system is pretty much broken in the UK, and 911 is useless. Everyone in the UK knows that it is 999 here; 911 is for the USA. Sorry that was a Freudian slip or something for 111 |
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Post by therealriga on May 13, 2021 18:17:26 GMT
So to the nearest three figures, how many votes do we think George Galloway will get? Already excited about the prospect of social media squabbles between him and the NIPs.
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Post by swanarcadian on May 13, 2021 18:25:00 GMT
Everyone in the UK knows that it is 999 here; 911 is for the USA. Though if you ring 911 on a mobile phone in this country, apparently it will redirect you to 999. It does. I once inadvertently called that number when my phone was unlocked. The worst thing is that I was on a very busy road at the time so didn’t hear the operator trying to talk to me. |
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Post by andrew111 on May 13, 2021 20:46:54 GMT
So to the nearest three figures, how many votes do we think George Galloway will get? Already excited about the prospect of social media squabbles between him and the NIPs. 911. No! 999. No! 111 |
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 13, 2021 21:26:15 GMT
So to the nearest three figures, how many votes do we think George Galloway will get? Already excited about the prospect of social media squabbles between him and the NIPs. 911. No! 999. No! 111 0118 999 881 999 119 725 ... 3 |
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Post by greenhert on May 13, 2021 22:00:54 GMT
So to the nearest three figures, how many votes do we think George Galloway will get? Already excited about the prospect of social media squabbles between him and the NIPs. 600. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on May 14, 2021 5:43:59 GMT
So to the nearest three figures, how many votes do we think George Galloway will get? Already excited about the prospect of social media squabbles between him and the NIPs. 600. 000 |
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Post by relique on May 14, 2021 7:04:25 GMT
0118 999 881 999 119 725 ... 3 I was too late to post it myself... Sadness... |
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Post by ideal4radio on May 14, 2021 17:34:45 GMT
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Hartlepool closure, what did bring a wry smile to my face was Dr Williams complaining that his opponents were " bringing NHS matters into the campaign " ...... this from the party that has used the " 24 hours to save the NHS " line for at least the last Four Elections .. |
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