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Post by iainbhx on May 17, 2021 21:38:53 GMT
Experience with my former housemate kept me from using the "P" word. My understanding at the time was that there was a division within the Brethren on the matter, with the Exclusive Brethren not voting and more "liberal" Brethren participating. Whoever they are, the Plymouth Brethren exist... There are many, many splits. You have Open Brethren, which include a group called the Closed Brethren. You have Exclusive Brethren, which includes the group calling themselves the Plymouth Brethren. Christadelphians don't vote either, there's a Christadelphian care home and seniot housing complex in my ward. |
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Post by greenchristian on May 17, 2021 21:50:33 GMT
Christadelphians don't vote either, there's a Christadelphian care home and seniot housing complex in my ward. Christadelphian theology is, for the most part, the same as Jehovah's Witnesses theology, so it's not surprising that they are on the same page on this issue. I think the two groups have some kind of common origin. |
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Post by stb12 on May 17, 2021 21:59:13 GMT
Voted Labour hold, even purely on the thought that governments gaining by-elections is so rare there surely can't be two within weeks?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 5:18:58 GMT
All these religious groups that refuse to vote. What do they do in places like Australia where it's a legal requirement?
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 18, 2021 6:44:30 GMT
All these religious groups that refuse to vote. What do they do in places like Australia where it's a legal requirement? Turn up but return a blank or otherwise spoiled paper? |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 18, 2021 7:58:00 GMT
All these religious groups that refuse to vote. What do they do in places like Australia where it's a legal requirement? You can get a religious exemption in Australia, although it’s quite tightly drawn as to which faiths are included, and you have to demonstrate that you’re a genuine follower of that faith. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 18, 2021 8:15:31 GMT
All these religious groups that refuse to vote. What do they do in places like Australia where it's a legal requirement? You can get a religious exemption in Australia, although it’s quite tightly drawn as to which faiths are included, and you have to demonstrate that you’re a genuine follower of that faith. I believe you are contacted after not voting and have to provide evidence of a formal religious affiliation to avoid the fine. I'd imagine this would include the groups already mentioned. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 18, 2021 8:25:50 GMT
There are many, many splits. You have Open Brethren, which include a group called the Closed Brethren. You have Exclusive Brethren, which includes the group calling themselves the Plymouth Brethren. Christadelphians don't vote either, there's a Christadelphian care home and seniot housing complex in my ward. I believe that they have a social club with an excellent real ale bar called 'Splitters and Tossers' I am truly amazed to hear that there are three CON Mormon MPs. Gross over-representation. I don't think I would be prepared to vote for a Mormon and I wonder if it does affect the vote TO? Who are they Mike? |
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Post by Merseymike on May 18, 2021 8:28:53 GMT
There are many, many splits. You have Open Brethren, which include a group called the Closed Brethren. You have Exclusive Brethren, which includes the group calling themselves the Plymouth Brethren. Christadelphians don't vote either, there's a Christadelphian care home and seniot housing complex in my ward. I believe that they have a social club with an excellent real ale bar called 'Splitters and Tossers' I am truly amazed to hear that there are three CON Mormon MPs. Gross over-representation. I don't think I would be prepared to vote for a Mormon and I wonder if it does affect the vote TO? Who are they Mike? David Rutley (Macclesfield), and Craig Whitaker (Calder Valley). The third has actually switched to Holyrood - Stephen Kerr (Central regional list, former MP for Stirling) |
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Post by carlton43 on May 18, 2021 8:35:51 GMT
I believe that they have a social club with an excellent real ale bar called 'Splitters and Tossers' I am truly amazed to hear that there are three CON Mormon MPs. Gross over-representation. I don't think I would be prepared to vote for a Mormon and I wonder if it does affect the vote TO? Who are they Mike? David Rutley (Macclesfield), and Craig Whitaker (Calder Valley). The third has actually switched to Holyrood - Stephen Kerr (Central regional list, former MP for Stirling) Thanks Mike. I am astonished to learn of this. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 18, 2021 8:35:56 GMT
Christadelphians don't vote either, there's a Christadelphian care home and seniot housing complex in my ward. There's a Christadelphian meeting house around the corner from me. Are they especially numerous in the Birmingham area, do you think? |
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Post by carlton43 on May 18, 2021 9:15:13 GMT
All these religious groups that refuse to vote. What do they do in places like Australia where it's a legal requirement? Surely one would turn up, smile, take ballot slip, go into booth, fold it, drop it into box? 'Law' satisfied and 'God' satisfied. That law is insolent and stupid. Their non-existent 'God' is stupid. But honour satisfied. |
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Post by nelson on May 18, 2021 9:26:29 GMT
Voting in Australia is compulsory unless the voter has a "valid and sufficient" reason for not voting, and the law recognises religious duty as a valid excuse for not voting, but the religion in question has to be a recognised religion. So it only becomes an issue when people who don't belong to a legally recognised religion refuses to vote based on a conscientious objection, and so far such cases have been lost by the "vote dodgers".
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Post by andrew111 on May 18, 2021 10:11:46 GMT
Voted Labour hold, even purely on the thought that governments gaining by-elections is so rare there surely can't be two within weeks? I think the way is being cleared for Kim Leadbeater. Local councillors keep ruling themselves out. No one seems to be ruling themselves in other than her. I am not voting until I know who the candidates are, but I think Kim gives Labour by far the best chance. |
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Post by nelson on May 18, 2021 10:22:08 GMT
Voted Labour hold, even purely on the thought that governments gaining by-elections is so rare there surely can't be two within weeks? I think the way is being cleared for Kim Leadbeater. Local councillors keep ruling themselves out. No one seems to be ruling themselves in other than her. I am not voting until I know who the candidates are, but I think Kim gives Labour by far the best chance. If Paul Halloran decides to run that'll probably also cost the Tories a few percentage points. |
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Post by iainbhx on May 18, 2021 12:20:14 GMT
Christadelphians don't vote either, there's a Christadelphian care home and seniot housing complex in my ward. There's a Christadelphian meeting house around the corner from me. Are they especially numerous in the Birmingham area, do you think? The Midlands was one of their strongholds. There's another one in Springfield and of course, their UK HQ was on Shaftmoor Lane, I think it may have moved to Sherborne Road in Acock's Green now. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 18, 2021 13:04:11 GMT
Voting in Australia is compulsory unless the voter has a "valid and reasonable excuse" for not voting, and the law recognises religious duty as a valid and reasonable excuse for not voting, but the religion in question has to be a recognised religion. So it only becomes an issue when people who don't belong to a legally recognised religion refuses to vote based on a conscientious objection, and so far such cases have been lost by the "vote dodgers". If it's an excuse it's not reasonable, if it's reasonable it's not an excuse. |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 18, 2021 13:48:02 GMT
Voting in Australia is compulsory unless the voter has a "valid and reasonable excuse" for not voting, and the law recognises religious duty as a valid and reasonable excuse for not voting, but the religion in question has to be a recognised religion. So it only becomes an issue when people who don't belong to a legally recognised religion refuses to vote based on a conscientious objection, and so far such cases have been lost by the "vote dodgers". If it's an excuse it's not reasonable, if it's reasonable it's not an excuse. The noun of excuse is “a reason or explanation given to justify a fault or offence” therefore a reason or explanation can be reasonable. Meanwhile is Mr Fox contemplating a further foray into electoral politics, pitching for the former BNP vote? |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 18, 2021 15:12:31 GMT
You can dismiss it as the BNP vote if you choose but if you are not willing to acknowledge the uncomfortable truths then those votes have to go somewhere and despite being natural Labour votes they will not be going Labour I didn’t mean it as dismissive just as pretty obvious that he’s not targeting the anti lockdown audience he pitched at in London. Yes the ex-BNP votes have got to go somewhere but, whilst they may be former Labour voters, I doubt that they’ve been Labour voters for at least two General Elections. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 18, 2021 15:16:29 GMT
You can dismiss it as the BNP vote if you choose but if you are not willing to acknowledge the uncomfortable truths then those votes have to go somewhere and despite being natural Labour votes they will not be going Labour Thank Woden that they are slow learners. |
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