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Post by Merseymike on May 16, 2021 12:47:31 GMT
Yes, it is, in terms of a national system paid for by taxation. That is the basis of the NHS model. How it is implemented is another matter - and it's refusal to get to grips with prioritisation. All systems prioritise but in the case of NHS it is a case of muddling along. And not being open about having any clear priorities at all. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 16, 2021 13:11:39 GMT
Everything’s a priority There are lots of things I would be happy to simply remove from NHS provision Including fertility treatments and gender reassignment If you want them start a crowd funder And others would have different views. They are very different issues and it's always a case of weighing up consequences and alternatives. Both are already heavily rationed, though, in terms of both access and provision. And make up a very small part of NHS spending. The point is that the NHS does acute care well, and ongoing minor issues not requiring surgery but is less successful with routine non-urgent surgical procedures. And it is the amount of money needed to reduce the long waiting lists for those which may require significant increases in taxation. The additional costs of administration of the internal market and commissioning and funding the amount of ambulance-chasing claims need serious consideration too. And of course, our willingness to extend life without considering how we deal with long term limiting conditions which is impossible to even have a reasonable conversation about without someone shrieking EUGENICS at you. |
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Post by nelson on May 16, 2021 18:13:37 GMT
From Paul Halloran's facebook:
"A petition has been created to ask the Conservative Party to consider me as their candidate for Batley & Spen. This hasn’t been created, nor is administered by myself. It’s created by people who like you & I care about the area.
My opinion is very simple, I will talk to anyone who wants to see our area be the place it can & should be. It’s not about party politics. If people choose to sign it that is their prerogative. There are though a lot of petty jealousies with certain individuals in the local Conservative party, some of whom are putting themselves forward as candidates. So, agendas are at play. Sadly, it seems that the party at present are too intransigent to speak with me to find a consensus for the benefit of all of us.
To date, I have been approached by 2 national parties (not the Conservatives) & 1 regional party. I’ve have talked to each out of common courtesy but more importantly about their thoughts on Batley & Spen - because that is all that matters.
There are certain issues going forward, which may become apparent that certain parties don’t want to discuss. My intention is to find out through dialogue who will & who wont deal with some of the issues which affect us all. Being honest I have found it quite distasteful that a local young man, his partner & children are in hiding fearing for their lives & some people are wetting themselves about the political games that are being played. The life of this young man & his family should be at the forefront of our minds & we need to know from whichever party whether they will offer unequivocal support to him & his family or they will want to conveniently not talk about it as a way to ‘buy’ votes."
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A. Is the any chance that he'll be selected as the Tory candidate?
B. Do you think the bolded part is true? I assume Reform UK may have contacted him, but apart from that?
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 16, 2021 18:27:59 GMT
From Paul Halloran's facebook: "A petition has been created to ask the Conservative Party to consider me as their candidate for Batley & Spen. This hasn’t been created, nor is administered by myself. It’s created by people who like you & I care about the area. My opinion is very simple, I will talk to anyone who wants to see our area be the place it can & should be. It’s not about party politics. If people choose to sign it that is their prerogative. There are though a lot of petty jealousies with certain individuals in the local Conservative party, some of whom are putting themselves forward as candidates. So, agendas are at play. Sadly, it seems that the party at present are too intransigent to speak with me to find a consensus for the benefit of all of us. To date, I have been approached by 2 national parties (not the Conservatives) & 1 regional party. I’ve have talked to each out of common courtesy but more importantly about their thoughts on Batley & Spen - because that is all that matters. There are certain issues going forward, which may become apparent that certain parties don’t want to discuss. My intention is to find out through dialogue who will & who wont deal with some of the issues which affect us all. Being honest I have found it quite distasteful that a local young man, his partner & children are in hiding fearing for their lives & some people are wetting themselves about the political games that are being played. The life of this young man & his family should be at the forefront of our minds & we need to know from whichever party whether they will offer unequivocal support to him & his family or they will want to conveniently not talk about it as a way to ‘buy’ votes." ... A. Is the any chance that he'll be selected as the Tory candidate? B. Do you think the bolded part is true? I assume Reform UK may have contacted him, but apart from that? A. No. B. I would guess Reform UK, UKIP and the Yorkshire Party. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 16, 2021 18:46:37 GMT
From Paul Halloran's facebook: "A petition has been created to ask the Conservative Party to consider me as their candidate for Batley & Spen. This hasn’t been created, nor is administered by myself. It’s created by people who like you & I care about the area. My opinion is very simple, I will talk to anyone who wants to see our area be the place it can & should be. It’s not about party politics. If people choose to sign it that is their prerogative. There are though a lot of petty jealousies with certain individuals in the local Conservative party, some of whom are putting themselves forward as candidates. So, agendas are at play. Sadly, it seems that the party at present are too intransigent to speak with me to find a consensus for the benefit of all of us. To date, I have been approached by 2 national parties (not the Conservatives) & 1 regional party. I’ve have talked to each out of common courtesy but more importantly about their thoughts on Batley & Spen - because that is all that matters. There are certain issues going forward, which may become apparent that certain parties don’t want to discuss. My intention is to find out through dialogue who will & who wont deal with some of the issues which affect us all. Being honest I have found it quite distasteful that a local young man, his partner & children are in hiding fearing for their lives & some people are wetting themselves about the political games that are being played. The life of this young man & his family should be at the forefront of our minds & we need to know from whichever party whether they will offer unequivocal support to him & his family or they will want to conveniently not talk about it as a way to ‘buy’ votes." ... A. Is the any chance that he'll be selected as the Tory candidate? B. Do you think the bolded part is true? I assume Reform UK may have contacted him, but apart from that? A. No. B. I would guess Reform UK, UKIP and the Yorkshire Party. Has the Yorkshire party been colonised by the far right? My friend - Batley born and bred, former secretary of Cleckheaton Labour party who relocated to Bridlington - who joined the YP would I think have no truck with this, and he is a Leaver |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 18:54:49 GMT
From Paul Halloran's facebook: Being honest I have found it quite distasteful that a local young man, his partner & children are in hiding fearing for their lives & some people are wetting themselves about the political games that are being played. The life of this young man & his family should be at the forefront of our minds & we need to know from whichever party whether they will offer unequivocal support to him & his family or they will want to conveniently not talk about it as a way to ‘buy’ votes." Does anyone know what and who this refers to? |
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Post by andrea on May 16, 2021 18:57:35 GMT
From Paul Halloran's facebook: Being honest I have found it quite distasteful that a local young man, his partner & children are in hiding fearing for their lives & some people are wetting themselves about the political games that are being played. The life of this young man & his family should be at the forefront of our minds & we need to know from whichever party whether they will offer unequivocal support to him & his family or they will want to conveniently not talk about it as a way to ‘buy’ votes." Does anyone know what and who this refers to? I thought he was referring to the Batley teacher who showed the Mohamed cartoons a couple of months ago inews.co.uk/news/education/batley-grammar-school-teacher-cartoon-prophet-mohamed-fears-for-his-life-934648 |
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Post by nelson on May 16, 2021 19:01:01 GMT
Yes, that's Halloran's big "cause" atm. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 16, 2021 19:08:26 GMT
A. No. B. I would guess Reform UK, UKIP and the Yorkshire Party. Has the Yorkshire party been colonised by the far right? My friend - Batley born and bred, former secretary of Cleckheaton Labour party who relocated to Bridlington - who joined the YP would I think have no truck with this, and he is a Leaver It was a guess based on "regional party". The Northern Independence Party wouldn't touch him, being avowedly left(wing. The Yorkshire Party is a more broad church group. Again, though, it is his claim, so who knows? |
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Post by minionofmidas on May 16, 2021 19:10:55 GMT
Has the Yorkshire party been colonised by the far right? My friend - Batley born and bred, former secretary of Cleckheaton Labour party who relocated to Bridlington - who joined the YP would I think have no truck with this, and he is a Leaver It was a guess based on "regional party". The Northern Independence Party wouldn't touch him, being avowedly left(wing. The Yorkshire Party is a more broad church group. Again, though, it is his claim, so who knows? or is he talking about the Heavy Woolen Independents? |
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Post by nelson on May 16, 2021 19:26:29 GMT
It was a guess based on "regional party". The Northern Independence Party wouldn't touch him, being avowedly left(wing. The Yorkshire Party is a more broad church group. Again, though, it is his claim, so who knows? or is he talking about the Heavy Woolen Independents? They're hardly regional.. |
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Post by Toylyyev on May 16, 2021 19:49:39 GMT
Has the Yorkshire party been colonised by the far right? My friend - Batley born and bred, former secretary of Cleckheaton Labour party who relocated to Bridlington - who joined the YP would I think have no truck with this, and he is a Leaver It was a guess based on "regional party". The Northern Independence Party wouldn't touch him, being avowedly left(wing. The Yorkshire Party is a more broad church (my_underscore) group. Again, though, it is his claim, so who knows? A longstanding local tradition.  |
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Post by andrew111 on May 16, 2021 21:17:52 GMT
or is he talking about the Heavy Woolen Independents? They're hardly regional.. They extend as far as Mirfield! (there is a map on their website) |
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Post by andrew111 on May 16, 2021 21:19:58 GMT
From Paul Halloran's facebook: "A petition has been created to ask the Conservative Party to consider me as their candidate for Batley & Spen. This hasn’t been created, nor is administered by myself. It’s created by people who like you & I care about the area. My opinion is very simple, I will talk to anyone who wants to see our area be the place it can & should be. It’s not about party politics. If people choose to sign it that is their prerogative. There are though a lot of petty jealousies with certain individuals in the local Conservative party, some of whom are putting themselves forward as candidates. So, agendas are at play. Sadly, it seems that the party at present are too intransigent to speak with me to find a consensus for the benefit of all of us. To date, I have been approached by 2 national parties (not the Conservatives) & 1 regional party. I’ve have talked to each out of common courtesy but more importantly about their thoughts on Batley & Spen - because that is all that matters. There are certain issues going forward, which may become apparent that certain parties don’t want to discuss. My intention is to find out through dialogue who will & who wont deal with some of the issues which affect us all. Being honest I have found it quite distasteful that a local young man, his partner & children are in hiding fearing for their lives & some people are wetting themselves about the political games that are being played. The life of this young man & his family should be at the forefront of our minds & we need to know from whichever party whether they will offer unequivocal support to him & his family or they will want to conveniently not talk about it as a way to ‘buy’ votes." ... A. Is the any chance that he'll be selected as the Tory candidate? B. Do you think the bolded part is true? I assume Reform UK may have contacted him, but apart from that? A. No. B. I would guess Reform UK, UKIP and the Yorkshire Party. English Democrats? |
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Post by minionofmidas on May 17, 2021 6:22:41 GMT
A. No. B. I would guess Reform UK, UKIP and the Yorkshire Party. English Democrats? there's so many UKIP splinters rn, being approached by only two of them is hardly a cause for triumph. |
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Post by gibbon on May 17, 2021 10:48:44 GMT
How big an issue will the proposal for voter ID in future elections be? A proportion of the current electorate are unlikely to have a driving licence or a passport or any other form of photo ID?
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Post by timmullen1 on May 17, 2021 11:05:47 GMT
How big an issue will the proposal for voter ID in future elections be? A proportion of the current electorate are unlikely to have a driving licence or a passport or any other form of photo ID? My guess is, unless the government have chosen to prioritise this Bill, it’ll not be a big influence as most regular voters will either be unaware of it or supportive of the principle of stopping voter fraud. If it were to play then Labour certainly have a potential opening amongst younger Muslim women voters as there is the cultural issue that in the more adherent families women aren’t allowed to have their own identities - they don’t drive, have their own bank accounts, etc. This could be campaigned on as disenfranchising that community just as the Democrats argue voter ID has a greater adverse impact on African American and Latino voters. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 17, 2021 11:09:46 GMT
How big an issue will the proposal for voter ID in future elections be? A proportion of the current electorate are unlikely to have a driving licence or a passport or any other form of photo ID? My guess is, unless the government have chosen to prioritise this Bill, it’ll not be a big influence as most regular voters will either be unaware of it or supportive of the principle of stopping voter fraud. If it were to play then Labour certainly have a potential opening amongst younger Muslim women voters as there is the cultural issue that in the more adherent families women aren’t allowed to have their own identities - they don’t drive, have their own bank accounts, etc. This could be campaigned on as disenfranchising that community just as the Democrats argue voter ID has a greater adverse impact on African American and Latino voters. I would have thought it was simply likely to increase numbers of postal votes in the case of Muslim communities though the most conservative - like conservative Christians - do not vote. |
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Post by hengo on May 17, 2021 11:20:06 GMT
I’ve never met a conservative Christian who didn’t vote on principle. And only ever heard of one (who may have been teasing an impertinent interviewer). Evelyn Waugh, on being quizzed, replied that he didn’t vote , as he didn’t presume to advise Her Majesty on her choice of servants.
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Post by The Bishop on May 17, 2021 11:31:25 GMT
How big an issue will the proposal for voter ID in future elections be? A proportion of the current electorate are unlikely to have a driving licence or a passport or any other form of photo ID? My guess is, unless the government have chosen to prioritise this Bill, it’ll not be a big influence as most regular voters will either be unaware of it or supportive of the principle of stopping voter fraud. If it were to play then Labour certainly have a potential opening amongst younger Muslim women voters as there is the cultural issue that in the more adherent families women aren’t allowed to have their own identities - they don’t drive, have their own bank accounts, etc. This could be campaigned on as disenfranchising that community just as the Democrats argue voter ID has a greater adverse impact on African American and Latino voters. Opposition parties should indeed swing behind free ID for elections - requiring a driving licence or passport is GOP-style vote suppression, pure and simple. |
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