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Post by Merseymike on Jun 18, 2021 8:32:48 GMT
I'm not happy to have been right. I'm sure, however, as the LDs here have pointed out ... we can spin this as a win for development! Headline: CHESHAM AND AMERSHAM SAYS YES TO MORE HOUSING They've voted for this Chalfont Common seems like a good spot to build homes for Syrians.. Which we all know is typical right wing stirring. There does need to be a much more coordinated approach to refugees who are going to increase in number given the truth of world conflicts and the need to flee. However, most refugees will be housed in the cities where there will often be established community networks. Everyone knows this to be the case. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 18, 2021 8:33:25 GMT
Turnout down 24% since the GE - did a lot of disgruntled Tory supporters simply stay away and sit on their hands? Typical for a by-election. People just forgot it was polling day because the national media did not mention it. Lots of stories of Lib Dems knocking on the door of a poster site to hear "oh, is it today?" But yes, the Lib Dem GOTV was probably better, and some Tories will have sat on their hands. |
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Post by Clark on Jun 18, 2021 8:33:58 GMT
"Imagine a fanatical Tory supporter who refused to live anywhere where there was not Conservative rule at every level: parliamentary, county and district or borough. Such a fictitious person would not have much choice at all in the Britain of the 1990's. Only 1 county authority, Buckinghamshire, remained in Tory overall control after their disaster of May 1993. After May 1994 only 3 of the district councils in the county remained in Conservative hands: South Bucks, Wycombe and Chiltern. Our mythical enthusiast, therefore, would be confined to a tract of land in the Chiltern hills, north west of London. He or she would have an excellent chance of winding up in the Chesham & Amersham constituency"
He or she would now be looking for a new house!
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Post by Richard Cromwell on Jun 18, 2021 8:38:06 GMT
I don't care if we accept a million refugees, from Syria, Ethiopia, Hong Kong, Mozambique, wherever. Anyone who thinks there'll ever be any kind of popular (never mind "local") support for that, whilst our political parties remain committed to NIMBYism, wherever and whenever it's politically convenient, is fooling himself.
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Post by therealriga on Jun 18, 2021 8:41:23 GMT
Congrats to Lib Dems, that was a very sizeable win, far bigger than I was expecting. In reply to one poster about lockdown policy, they did abstain on extending restrictions and have voted in the past against extending emergency powers. Not completely anti-lockdown but the closest out of all main parties to it. The election almost certainly wasn't about that in the main though..... Particular congratulations to some of our shrewd betters (one poster getting 14/1 on this a while ago was a fantastic bet), enjoy your winnings. I was going to point that out. Not the most lockdown Party but I agree not fundamentally against. There is an interesting article on the BBC about Russia where they have had no lockdowns since last summer and people are both very resistant to vaccines and fatalistic about high death rates. Now they are making vaccination compulsory in the service sector as we are doing in care homes It's also noticeable in Russia-influenced countries. Russia and Bulgaria have the lowest vaccinated rates and Latvia, which has a lot of ethnic Russians, is one of the lowest. Also happening is that Russian media is pushing the line that "western" vaccines are unreliable, seizing on any and all stories of blood clots etc, while simultaneously pushing the line that their own Sputnik is the only one that can be trusted. That's why you get utter madness like this www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/19/we-booked-straight-away-first-covid-vaccine-tourists-arrive-in-san-marinoethnic Russians making a 26-hour trip to San Marino to pay to get Sputnik vaccine, which has 91% efficacy, when AZ, Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, which have about 94% efficacy are all free and in abundant supply in Latvia. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 8:41:52 GMT
"Imagine a fanatical Tory supporter who refused to live anywhere where there was not Conservative rule at every level: parliamentary, county and district or borough. Such a fictitious person would not have much choice at all in the Britain of the 1990's. Only 1 county authority, Buckinghamshire, remained in Tory overall control after their disaster of May 1993. After May 1994 only 3 of the district councils in the county remained in Conservative hands: South Bucks, Wycombe and Chiltern. Our mythical enthusiast, therefore, would be confined to a tract of land in the Chiltern hills, north west of London. He or she would have an excellent chance of winding up in the Chesham & Amersham constituency" He or she would now be looking for a new house! Although they'd be able to console themselves with the astronomical increase in the value of their house since the 1990s. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 18, 2021 8:53:26 GMT
I was going to point that out. Not the most lockdown Party but I agree not fundamentally against. There is an interesting article on the BBC about Russia where they have had no lockdowns since last summer and people are both very resistant to vaccines and fatalistic about high death rates. Now they are making vaccination compulsory in the service sector as we are doing in care homes It's also noticeable in Russia-influenced countries. Russia and Bulgaria have the lowest vaccinated rates and Latvia, which has a lot of ethnic Russians, is one of the lowest. Also happening is that Russian media is pushing the line that "western" vaccines are unreliable, seizing on any and all stories of blood clots etc, while simultaneously pushing the line that their own Sputnik is the only one that can be trusted. That's why you get utter madness like this www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/19/we-booked-straight-away-first-covid-vaccine-tourists-arrive-in-san-marinoethnic Russians making a 26-hour trip to San Marino to pay to get Sputnik vaccine, which has 91% efficacy, when AZ, Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, which have about 94% efficacy are all free and in abundant supply in Latvia. The Sputnik vaccine is also perfectly good, probably better than Astrazenica, but Russians don't believe it. Astra has suffered badly from the blood clots story (almost certainly ramped by rival Pharma companies, recently there has been push back with similar scare stories on Pfizer) everywhere in the world except the UK, so you really can't blame the Russians for that. |
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Post by Richard Cromwell on Jun 18, 2021 8:53:45 GMT
Look forward to more of these takes:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 8:54:57 GMT
Look forward to more of these takes: How old is the average first time buyer? 38? I wonder if Tim Stanley already owns a house. |
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Post by andrewp on Jun 18, 2021 8:57:37 GMT
"Imagine a fanatical Tory supporter who refused to live anywhere where there was not Conservative rule at every level: parliamentary, county and district or borough. Such a fictitious person would not have much choice at all in the Britain of the 1990's. Only 1 county authority, Buckinghamshire, remained in Tory overall control after their disaster of May 1993. After May 1994 only 3 of the district councils in the county remained in Conservative hands: South Bucks, Wycombe and Chiltern. Our mythical enthusiast, therefore, would be confined to a tract of land in the Chiltern hills, north west of London. He or she would have an excellent chance of winding up in the Chesham & Amersham constituency" He or she would now be looking for a new house! Although there’s a lot more of the country for he or she to choose now than there was in 1994. |
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Post by john07 on Jun 18, 2021 9:00:19 GMT
"Imagine a fanatical Tory supporter who refused to live anywhere where there was not Conservative rule at every level: parliamentary, county and district or borough. Such a fictitious person would not have much choice at all in the Britain of the 1990's. Only 1 county authority, Buckinghamshire, remained in Tory overall control after their disaster of May 1993. After May 1994 only 3 of the district councils in the county remained in Conservative hands: South Bucks, Wycombe and Chiltern. Our mythical enthusiast, therefore, would be confined to a tract of land in the Chiltern hills, north west of London. He or she would have an excellent chance of winding up in the Chesham & Amersham constituency" He or she would now be looking for a new house! Although there’s a lot more of the country for he or she to choose now than there was in 1994. But most of them would not be considered as desirable places to live by a traditional Tory? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 18, 2021 9:01:57 GMT
Problem with that take is that the planning reforms won't make it easier for young people to buy a house.
And it's a bit rich for Tim Montgomerie to take the sour grapes line that it's a victory for NIMBYs. The Lib Dems took an issue they thought would resonate locally, ran with it, and were proved right. The Conservatives have deliberately exploited culture war issues, dividing British society; Johnson and Cummings spent the latter part of 2019 making the Brexit debate toxic in a way that meant Labour MPs getting death threats, so that they could win a general election. You can either take the view that that's politics and finding an issue that wins votes is what it's supposed to be about, or that political campaigning should be pure and principled everywhere; you can't really adopt both at the same time.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 18, 2021 9:04:16 GMT
"Imagine a fanatical Tory supporter who refused to live anywhere where there was not Conservative rule at every level: parliamentary, county and district or borough. Such a fictitious person would not have much choice at all in the Britain of the 1990's. Only 1 county authority, Buckinghamshire, remained in Tory overall control after their disaster of May 1993. After May 1994 only 3 of the district councils in the county remained in Conservative hands: South Bucks, Wycombe and Chiltern. Our mythical enthusiast, therefore, would be confined to a tract of land in the Chiltern hills, north west of London. He or she would have an excellent chance of winding up in the Chesham & Amersham constituency" He or she would now be looking for a new house! They would have been looking in 1995 when Chiltern fell out of Conservative control. It wouldn't have done them any good to move next door to Wycombe or South Bucks then either. In fact on the criteria described, they would probably have had to move to Alberta or Bavaria |
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Post by andrewp on Jun 18, 2021 9:05:26 GMT
Although there’s a lot more of the country for he or she to choose now than there was in 1994. But most of them would not be considered as desirable places to live by a traditional Tory? They can today be planning their move from Chesham to Clay Cross in Derbyshire. |
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Post by pl on Jun 18, 2021 9:05:27 GMT
Problem with that take is that the planning reforms won't make it easier for young people to buy a house. And it's a bit rich for Tim Montgomerie to take the sour grapes line that it's a victory for NIMBYs. The Lib Dems took an issue they thought would resonate locally, ran with it, and were proved right. The Conservatives have deliberately exploited culture war issues, dividing British society; Johnson and Cummings spent the latter part of 2019 making the Brexit debate toxic in a way that meant Labour MPs getting death threats, so that they could win a general election. You can either take the view that that's politics and finding an issue that wins votes is what it's supposed to be about, or that political campaigning should be pure and principled everywhere; you can't really adopt both at the same time. Don't talk such utter twaddle David. The culture war has been coming from the left for the past 20 years - culture wars come from the hard left and fascists the world over. It is the left which has been vilifying the right all that time - and suddenly you act all surprised when the Conservatives choose an electorally successful formula? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 18, 2021 9:06:49 GMT
Although there’s a lot more of the country for he or she to choose now than there was in 1994. But most of them would not be considered as desirable places to live by a traditional Tory? Yeah cos there's hardly any leafy areas of the Home Counties with Conservative controlled district and county councils are there.. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 18, 2021 9:07:45 GMT
They've voted for this Chalfont Common seems like a good spot to build homes for Syrians.. Which we all know is typical right wing stirring. There does need to be a much more coordinated approach to refugees who are going to increase in number given the truth of world conflicts and the need to flee. However, most refugees will be housed in the cities where there will often be established community networks. Everyone knows this to be the case. So what you're saying is that Amersham would be a better choice as there's easier access to London via the Metropolitan line? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 18, 2021 9:07:55 GMT
But most of them would not be considered as desirable places to live by a traditional Tory? and a sign of the times. They can today be planning their move from Chesham to Clay Cross in Derbyshire. It isn't |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 18, 2021 9:10:06 GMT
Problem with that take is that the planning reforms won't make it easier for young people to buy a house. And it's a bit rich for Tim Montgomerie to take the sour grapes line that it's a victory for NIMBYs. The Lib Dems took an issue they thought would resonate locally, ran with it, and were proved right. The Conservatives have deliberately exploited culture war issues, dividing British society; Johnson and Cummings spent the latter part of 2019 making the Brexit debate toxic in a way that meant Labour MPs getting death threats, so that they could win a general election. You can either take the view that that's politics and finding an issue that wins votes is what it's supposed to be about, or that political campaigning should be pure and principled everywhere; you can't really adopt both at the same time. Don't talk such utter twaddle David. The culture war has been coming from the left for the past 20 years - culture wars come from the hard left and fascists the world over. It is the left which has been vilifying the right all that time - and suddenly you act all surprised when the Conservatives choose an electorally successful formula? Congratulations for failing to see the wood for the trees. |
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Post by andrewp on Jun 18, 2021 9:16:03 GMT
That’s true and a sign of the times. They can today be planning their move from Chesham to Clay Cross in Derbyshire. It isn't Yes, your right Pete, they have much of the South East of England to choose from. |
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