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Post by YL on Feb 1, 2021 17:12:04 GMT
I have tried to come up with a minimum change scheme by treating Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire as a combined unit. Whilst superficially unattractive it may make it easier to have minimal changes across both counties. The only crossing I have made is to transfer Jacksdale ward from Ashfield into Amber Valley. Whilst it does cross the county boundary the villages of Ironville and Jacksdale are very close. This puts the remainder of Ashfield in quota and Amber Valley would also remain in quota The remainder of Derbyshire can go ahead as most people have by proposed with the Hatton/Hilton move to Derbyshire Dales and South West Parishes from Dales to Mid Derbyshire In Nottinghamshire I have moved Ransom Woods Ward from Mansfield to Sherwood. Sturton and Beckingham transfer from Bassetlaw to Newark. Lowdham from Newark to Gedling I would then leave the city as three seats and split one South ward between North and East. Probably Leen Valley Broxtowe and Rushcliffe as is I’m sure if I have my sums wrong someone will correct me ( i’m a first time poster so be gentle) Welcome to the forum. I fear your Newark is too big: adding Sturton and Beckingham and removing Lowdham gives 79,351 on Boundary Assistant. That said, it's possible a Derbyshire crossing might indeed help in Notts. One idea I've tried is to put the four Warsop wards with Bolsover; Derbyshire can easily absorb the electorate, and it's then possible to get a workable map in Nottinghamshire without crossing the Nottingham city boundary and with no bite out of Mansfield. Personally I think I'd stick with respecting the Notts/Derbys border and not the city boundary (unless someone can come up with a non-hideous map which respects both) but it's always good to see the options. |
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Post by simonb on Feb 1, 2021 18:11:35 GMT
Yes of course....oops....and I don’t see an easy fix
Back to the drawing board!
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Post by islington on Feb 1, 2021 18:18:51 GMT
Yes of course....oops....and I don’t see an easy fix Back to the drawing board! We all know that feeling!
Welcome to the forum.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 5, 2021 17:31:23 GMT
Another attempt at Leicestershire - minimum change for much of the county (Leicester and the West of the county) - the removal of Rutland means minimum change does not equal little change. Charnwood is forced further West and South to the point that the name becomes almost inappropriate but I can't think of a better one - in any case, while it includes little of the district of that name it does include most of the forest. The two southern seats have been completely re-orientated. This is partly forced by the numbers not working with the existing arrangements but also because I think its desirable in itself - a suburban/exurban seat to the South of Leicester, mirroring Charnwood to its North and West and a Harborough seat which is quite closely aligned with the district of that name. I quite like the compact Hinckley seat from my previous plan but it seems more plausible just to pare Bosworth down a bit like this (maybe next time I'll get my Hinckley..)  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 5, 2021 18:32:49 GMT
A 'maximum change' Derbyshire - I know there was some discussion earlier in the thread and I thought it would be fun to imagine what one might come up with if starting from scratch  |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 10, 2021 11:01:25 GMT
Looking at Northamptonshire, I think it probably will be possible to draw 7 seats entirely in the county using the divisions. However, it's certainly not possible to do that whilst following the present district boundaries at all closely and I suspect it'll also be necessary to cross the boundaries between the two unitaries on multiple occasions, if my attempts to approximate wards to the division boundaries are anything to go on.
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Post by loderingo on Feb 14, 2021 11:55:51 GMT
Had a go at this and came up with almost identical proposals to everyone else. Seems to be one of the easier regions (pending the new Northants wards)
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Post by YL on Feb 18, 2021 21:53:13 GMT
Here's another Leicestershire plan, with all the seats basically recognisable (though one name change is needed) and again no need to cross the city boundary:  1. Melton Mowbray (76,483). Loses Rutland; gains Queniborough, Syston, Thurmaston, Wreake Villages and East Goscote. 2. Harborough (74,810). Loses Fleckney. 3. South Leicestershire (76,346). Gains Fleckney; loses Normanton, Croft Hill, Stanton & Flamville. 4. Hinckley (76,892). The old Bosworth seat, but loses the Market Bosworth area itself and Markfield et al; gains three Blaby wards from South Leics. 5. Charnwood (76,422). Loses Syston etc.; gains Barrow, Quorn, Sileby and Markfield et al. 6. North West Leicestershire (76,876). Loses Castle Donington area; gains Market Bosworth area. Maybe could lose the "North" from the name? 7. Loughborough (76,400). Loses Barrow on Soar, Quorn, Sileby; gains Castle Donington area. |
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Post by YL on Feb 19, 2021 9:17:08 GMT
... and here's my latest attempt at Notts with the city boundary not crossed. Unlike Leicestershire, I'm still minded to cross the city boundary, though.  1. Rushcliffe (76,421). Loses Cropwell, gains East Bridgford. 2. Broxtowe (76,543). Gains Eastwood and Brinsley; loses Kimberley and Watnall & Nuthall West. 3. Ashfield & Mansfield West (76,252). Loses Broxtowe component; gains four western wards of Mansfield. 4. Mansfield (76,454). Loses four western wards; gains Ollerton and Welbeck. 5. Bassetlaw (75,809). Loses Welbeck and Sturton. 6. Sherwood (76,166). Gains Kimberley, Watnall & Nuthall West, Dover Beck, Lowdham; loses Ollerton, Dumbles. I assume islington will prefer a different name. 7. Newark (77,021). Gains Sturton, Cropwell; loses East Bridgford. 8. Gedling (75,759). Gains Dumbles. 9. Nottingham West (70,018). Yes, it looks like a seahorse. 10. Nottingham North (71,904). 11. Nottingham East (70,955). The Sherwood and Mansfield arrangements are rather odd, and the Newark/Rushcliffe boundary looks like some monster is trying to devour Bingham, but otherwise this feels OK. |
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Post by emidsanorak on Mar 16, 2021 18:04:21 GMT
On another thread, Islington confessed to deep forebodings about Northamptonshire. I hope to let him have a good night’s sleep. I too was concerned. I have been trying to construct a seven seat Northamptonshire using the new wards (the old County divisions) without slicing through one of the towns. I have been guessing at the electorates. If anyone here has a more accurate way of doing it, I’d be grateful to hear. I have eventually managed it (subject to confirmation that the electorates are OK): ibb.co/hBxWvmQCorby (76706) Corby Rural, Corby West, Kingswood, Lloyds, Oakley, Irthlingborough, Oundle, Thrapston Daventry (76000 approx) Braunston & Crick, Daventry East, Daventry West, Woodford & Weedon, Brackley, Deanshanger, Middleton Cheney, Silverstone Kettering (72777 unchanged) Burton & Broughton, Clover Hill, Desborough, Ise, Northall, Rothwell & Mawsley, Wicksteed, Windmill Northampton North (75500 approx) Abington & Phippsville, Boothville & Parklands, Castle, Dallington Spencer, Headlands, Kingsthorpe North, Kingsthorpe South, St George, Talavera Northampton South & Towcester (76000 approx) Billing & Rectory Farm, Delapre & Rushmere, Duston East, Duston West & St Crispin, Riverside Park, Sixfields, Bugbrooke, Towcester & Roade Rushden (76000 approx) Higham Ferrars, Raunds, Rushden Pemberton West, Rushden South, Irchester, East Hunsbury & Shelfleys, Nene Valley, Hackleton & Grange Park Wellingborough (76500 approx) Brickhill & Queensway, Croyland & Swanspool, Earls Barton, Finedon, Hatton Park, Brixworth, Long Buckby, Moulton My Northampton South & Towcester is pitchforky but legal. I even kept Kettering unchanged. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 16, 2021 18:10:35 GMT
On another thread, Islington confessed to deep forebodings about Northamptonshire. I hope to let him have a good night’s sleep. I too was concerned. I have been trying to construct a seven seat Northamptonshire using the new wards (the old County divisions) without slicing through one of the towns. I have been guessing at the electorates. If anyone here has a more accurate way of doing it, I’d be grateful to hear. I have eventually managed it (subject to confirmation that the electorates are OK): ibb.co/hBxWvmQCorby (76706) Corby Rural, Corby West, Kingswood, Lloyds, Oakley, Irthlingborough, Oundle, Thrapston Daventry (76000 approx) Braunston & Crick, Daventry East, Daventry West, Woodford & Weedon, Brackley, Deanshanger, Middleton Cheney, Silverstone Kettering (72777 unchanged) Burton & Broughton, Clover Hill, Desborough, Ise, Northall, Rothwell & Mawsley, Wicksteed, Windmill Northampton North (75500 approx) Abington & Phippsville, Boothville & Parklands, Castle, Dallington Spencer, Headlands, Kingsthorpe North, Kingsthorpe South, St George, Talavera Northampton South & Towcester (76000 approx) Billing & Rectory Farm, Delapre & Rushmere, Duston East, Duston West & St Crispin, Riverside Park, Sixfields, Bugbrooke, Towcester & Roade Rushden (76000 approx) Higham Ferrars, Raunds, Rushden Pemberton West, Rushden South, Irchester, East Hunsbury & Shelfleys, Nene Valley, Hackleton & Grange Park Wellingborough (76500 approx) Brickhill & Queensway, Croyland & Swanspool, Earls Barton, Finedon, Hatton Park, Brixworth, Long Buckby, Moulton My Northampton South & Towcester is pitchforky but legal. I even kept Kettering unchanged. With respect I don't think anyone is going to get a good night's sleep after seeing that map. For my part your Rushden seat in particular is going to give me nightmares. I've had a play around with the 'new' boundaries myself and I think it should be possible to much more closely match existing arrangements, or to come up with something approximating to the map I posted near the beginning of this thread. If the numbers don't quite work out, then a ward-split or two to force the issue would be far preferable to this kind of mess |
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Post by YL on Mar 16, 2021 18:27:46 GMT
I had a play a few weeks ago, and ended up thinking that there were likely to be legal solutions without a split ward but that they would be pretty awful and that I'd be looking at a split ward or two. But we will have to wait and see what the actual numbers are.
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Post by YL on Mar 24, 2021 22:10:06 GMT
I think this works:
Northampton North (76,403). Abington and Phippsville, Boothville and Parklands, Castle, Dallington Spencer, Duston East, Headlands, Kingsthorpe N, Kingsthorpe S, St George.
Northampton South & Towcester (76,244). Billing and Rectory Farm, Deanshanger, Delapre & Rushmere, Hackleton and Grange Park, Nene Valley, Riverside Park, Talavera, Towcester & Roade.
Northampton West & Brackley (77,020). Brackley, Bugbrooke, Duston West and St. Crispin, East Hunsbury and Shelfleys, Silverstone, Sixfields, Woodford & Weedon.
Daventry & Earls Barton (75,073). Burton & Broughton, Earls Barton; Braunston & Crick, Brixworth, Daventry E, Daventry W, Long Buckby, Moulton.
Wellingborough (75,867). Brickhill and Queensway, Croyland and Swanspool, Finedon, Hatton Park, Higham Ferrers, Irchester, Rushden Pemberton West, Rushden South.
Corby (75,832). Corby Rural, Corby West, Desborough, Kingswood, Lloyds, Oakley, Oundle, Rothwell & Mawsley.
Kettering (73,460). Clover Hill, Irthlingborough, Ise, Northall, Raunds, Thrapston, Wicksteed, Windmill.
I'll see if it can be improved on once the electorates are in Boundary Assistant...
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 25, 2021 17:46:35 GMT
I would propose split wards here to enable minimum disruption to existing arrangements. The basic form would be thus: Corby: The five ex-Corby borough wards plus Irthlingborough, Oundle and Thrapston (basically loses Raunds) - 76,706 Wellingborough: Raunds, Rushden x 2, Higham Ferrers, Finedon*, Brickhill and Queensway, Croyland and Swanspool, Hatton Park - 76,270 Kettering: The 8 divisions covering the ex borough of Kettering 72,777 Northampton North: Abington and Phippsville, Boothville and Parklands, Castle, Dallington Spencer, Headlands, Kingsthorpe North, Kingsthorpe South, St. George, Talavera - 75,713 Northampton South: Billing and Rectory Farm, Delapre and Rushmere, Duston East, Duston West and St. Crispin, East Hunsbury and Shelfleys, Nene Valley, Riverside Park, Sixfields - 71,512 Daventry: the seven ex-Daventry district divisions plus Earls Baron - 74,815 South Northamtonshire: the seven ex-South Northamptonshire divisions plus Irchester* - 82,106 I would then move three parishes to bring South Northamptonshire into quota. Firstly Grange Park (electorate 2,968) moves into Northampton South. Second Irchester parish (electorate c. 4,000) moves into Wellingborough, Finally, as that pushes Wellingborough over quota, Finedon parish (electorate c, 3,500) moves to Kettering. This does involve three split wards (Irchester, Finedon, Hackleton and Grange Park) which may be non-ideal and it does involve two crossings of the new district boundaries (which I don't care about), but seems better than non-split-ward alternatives  |
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Post by emidsanorak on Mar 26, 2021 9:28:05 GMT
Both YL’s and Pete Whitehead’s recent posts on Northamptonshire manage to detach part of the town of Wellingborough (the Redhill Grange Estate) and put it in a Daventry constituency. This is despite, in Pete’s case, splitting three wards. The numbers work on the scheme I posted earlier which does not split any of the towns:
Corby (76706) Corby Rural, Corby West, Irthlingborough, Kingswood, Lloyds, Oakley, Oundle, Thrapston
Daventry (76163) Brackley, Braunston & Crick, Daventry East, Daventry West, Deanshanger, Middleton Cheney, Silverstone, Woodford & Weedon
Kettering (72777 unchanged) Burton & Broughton, Clover Hill, Desborough, Ise, Northall, Rothwell & Mawsley, Wicksteed, Windmill
Northampton North (75713) Abington & Phippsville, Boothville & Parklands, Castle, Dallington Spencer, Headlands, Kingsthorpe North, Kingsthorpe South, St George, Talavera
Northampton South & Towcester (75875) Billing & Rectory Farm, Bugbrooke, Delapre & Rushmere, Duston East, Duston West & St Crispin, Riverside Park, Sixfields, Towcester & Roade
Rushden (75968) Higham Ferrars, Irchester, Raunds, Rushden Pemberton West, Rushden South, East Hunsbury & Shelfleys, Hackleton & Grange Park, Nene Valley,
Wellingborough (76697) Brickhill & Queensway, Croyland & Swanspool, Earls Barton, Finedon, Hatton Park, Brixworth, Long Buckby, Moulton
I know my Rushden seat gave Pete nightmares. The one obvious ward split to deal with the awkwardness of Northampton South is the Grange Park one suggested by Pete. This then gives a Rushden & Towcester seat which may make his nightmares worse:
Daventry (76642) Brackley, Braunston & Crick, Bugbrooke, Daventry East, Daventry West, Middleton Cheney, Silverstone, Woodford & Weedon
Northampton South (74480) Billing & Rectory Farm, Delapre & Rushmere, Duston East, Duston West & St Crispin, East Hunsbury & Shelfleys, Nene Valley, Riverside Park, Sixfields, part of Hackleton & Grange Park – the former Grange Park ward
Rushden & Towcester (76884) Higham Ferrars, Irchester, Raunds, Rushden Pemberton West, Rushden South, Deanshanger, Towcester & Roade, the rest of Hackleton & Grange Park
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 28, 2021 9:53:22 GMT
A few organising thoughts on Northamptonshire: 3.31 quotas for North Northamptonshire, 3.84 for West Northamptonshire. Whilst the latter would quite happily stand alone, the former needs a partner. Conceivably you could pair it with Rutland and Leicestershire, but then Lincolnshire would have to pair with Nottinghamshire, so that seems unlikely. Two divisions need to go in West Northamptonshire-based seats - one leaves N Northants too large for 3 seats, three would leave West Northants too large for 4. The various towns: Daventry - in addition to the eponymous two wards, Braunston and Crick covers northern parts of Daventry. Total electorate of the three divisions: 25807 Northampton - the 17 divisions covering the borough have an electorate of 147225, which ordinarily would be ideal for two seats but here leaves too many electors in the rest of the county. To increase the seat sizes, you need to remove a Northampton division or two and replace them with larger divisions from elsewhere. Possible candidates to come out: - Nene Valley (8736) - separated from the rest of town by the A45
- Duston East and Duston West & St Crispin (16495) - most of these areas are part of Duston parish, except for a small portion in the south-east of Duston East
- Kingsthorpe North and Kingsthorpe South (17991) - these divisions are being parished separately from the rest of Northampton (though the southern division also includes areas round Queen's Park which are being parished with Northampton
If you're removing more than two divisions, then effectively you're creating 3 Northampton seats. In that case the most obvious internal boundaries to follow are the Nene, the railway line, the A45 (and A5076) and maybe Bradlaugh Fields. Possible candidates to add in: - Moulton (10392) - Moulton itself is basically contiguous with Northampton and my understanding is that a decent amount of the town's new housing is going to come either side of the boundary of this division
- Hackleton & Grange Park (10323) - Grange Park is of a piece with the various developments in Nene Valley ward
If you need more than one, however, it's likely that the second division is going to end up having to be large, and that almost certainly means Towcester, even if it's a somewhat awkward fit. Wellingborough - three divisions entirely within the town (Brickhill & Queensway; Croyland & Swanspool; Hatton Park), one that's half-Wellingborough half-rural (Finedon) and one that's mostly rural but does include a small portion of Wellingborough (Earls Barton). If you're only including the first four, that's an electorate of 36862, if you add in the fifth then it's 47653. Rushden - in addition to the two eponymous divisions, Higham Ferrers includes the fair swathe of Rushden's parished area and the two settlements have more or less grown into one another. Electorate of the three divisions: 30168. Kettering - three divisions entirely within the town's parished area (Glover Hill, Northall, Windmill) and two divisions which also encompass neighbouring parishes (Ise and Wicksteed). Ise's parts of Kettering are separated from the rest of the town by the river Ise and a decent stretch of green space, so conceivably you could leave that out. With five divisions that's an electorate of 43370, with four it's 34994. Corby - four divisions covering the town (Corby West, Kingswood, Lloyds, Oakley) and one covering part of the town and rural areas (Corby Rural). With just the first four it's 36288 electors, with all five it's 45783. |
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Post by islington on Mar 28, 2021 13:29:34 GMT
Rights, here's an attempt at Nhants. This was deliberately done without looking at other plans so I'm sorry for any duplication. It's not ideal, but it has two recognizable seats for No'ton town, and only one straddling the two UAs.
 Northampton North - 75713. Wholly within the former town boundary.
Northampton South and Towcester - 76800. Well, Towcester is just about contiguous but that's the best that can be said for it. I'm definitely open to alternative suggestions here. Daventry - 76163. Actually not that bad. Mid Northamptonshire - 76064. I can't say no to a 'Mid' seat (seriously, I don't do it on purpose). This is a bit messy, taking two leftover wards of No'ton town and straddling both UAs, but it's not as bad as all that. Wellingborough - 75867. Kettering - 73460. Corby - 75832. Honestly, I quite like the look of this one.
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Post by YL on Mar 28, 2021 14:33:44 GMT
Here's the map of my attempt at Northants (boundaries are as posted on Thursday):  The three seats all in North Northamptonshire are the same as in islington 's map: Corby (75,832), Kettering (73,460) and Wellingborough (75,867). I acknowledge that a small part of Wellingborough town is in Earls Barton ward, but I suggest that the easiest way to fix this if it's really felt to be a problem is a small ward split rather than separating Wellingborough and Rushden. Apart from that, I think this is a reasonable map on that side of the county. The cross-UA seat is Daventry & Burton Latimer (75,073). Then we have a reasonably compact Northampton North (76,403), and the weakest point of the plan, two seats covering the rest of Northampton together with much of the south of the county: Northampton East & Towcester (76,244) and Northampton West & Brackley (77,020). There's some flexibility in which Northampton wards go where -- e.g. Talavera could go into North with either Castle or Abington & Phippsville going the other way -- but unfortunately as far as I can see there's no room for Duston East to join Duston West. |
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Post by YL on Mar 28, 2021 15:49:18 GMT
Or:  Daventry (76,163) as per islingtonNorthampton South & Towcester (76,020) keeps the Dustons together Northampton Central (75,570) not really "North" on these boundaries Northampton East & Naseby (76,987) three eastern wards of Northampton town, the rural area east of Daventry, and the Earls Barton/Burton Latimer area. Corby, Kettering and Wellingborough as before You can swap Bugbrooke and Deanshanger if you like. |
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Post by islington on Mar 28, 2021 15:58:20 GMT
Or this ... ?
 No'ton N 75769. Keeping the Dustons together.
No'ton S 75821 Daventry 76163 Mid Nhants 76987. Or 'Brixworth' or whatever you want to call it. You can take Boothville instead of Riverside Pk if you think it works better.
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