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Post by islington on Nov 30, 2022 14:43:58 GMT
Actually I've now got a fix for the Enderby problem and also the Thurmaston problem. Compared with the the BCE's initial scheme: Melton loses the two Syston wards and gains three (Barrow (thus putting Sileby together), Thurnby and Billesdon (both of which are in the current Rutland & Melton seat). 75259. Loughborough loses one (Barrow) and gains three (Long Whatton, Kegworth and Daleacre Hill). This gives it the Kegworth area but no part of Castle Donington. 76861. NW Leics loses the three just-mentioned wards to Loughborough and gains three (two, Oakthorpe and Appleby, that are currently in the seat, plus one ward from Bosworth (I've settled on Barlestone because of its proximity to Ibstock)). 76291. Bosworth loses those three wards to NW Leics and gains two (Ratby (which is in the current seat) and Normanton). 76759. Mid Leics loses five wards (Enderby, Narborough, Normanton, Pastures and Ratby) and gains four (Ellis, Fairestone and Syston x 2) - note that all of the four wards gained are in the current equivalent seat of Charnwood, and all of the five lost are not. 75570. Blaby & Wigston (or whatever you end up calling it) loses two (Countesthorpe and Stanton) and gains three (Enderby, Narborough and Pastures, thus keeping Enderby together). 75131. Harborough loses Thurnby and Billedon and gains Countesthorpe and Stanton. 75412. Sorry, no map because I'm not at my usual computer. I tried mapping it, and I think your Melton is over quota; I suspect you missed Bottesford, which has the missing electorate. It should be rescuable by splitting Billesdon & Tilton ward, which is one of those multi-parish rural wards, but I doubt you'll want to go there. I also think Croft Hill looks horribly out on a limb; I'd swap it with Normanton. Edit: I see you already thought that. "Curses, Moriarty!" Yes, you're right of course. Thanks. (grinds teeth) I've found a fix and I'll try to post a map later, but it involves splitting Oadby and Wigston as well as a seat extending from the Warwickshire boundary all the way to Syston, so it's definitely a cure that's worse than the disease. So I'm left to fall back on the plan I previously suggested, with its split of Enderby and with Thurmaston on the wrong side of the Soar from the rest of Mid Leics. It's probably a waste of time to submit it but I might give it a shot anyway. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Nov 30, 2022 15:25:59 GMT
Just put Bottesford in the Grantham seat, surely two two-counties constituencies are better than one three-county constituency  and that's much closer than Melton and where the road links go. Why does Leicestershire have that long northeastern tail anyways... |
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Post by nyx on Nov 30, 2022 21:39:18 GMT
Just put Bottesford in the Grantham seat, surely two two-counties constituencies are better than one three-county constituency and that's much closer than Melton and where the road links go. Why does Leicestershire have that long northeastern tail anyways... On that logic surely the simple way to get rid of the Rutland+Stamford tail to Leicester is... Move all of that “tail” from Rutland+Stamford to the Melton Mowbray seat Move Bottesford and a few other Leicestershire wards near it into Grantham And move a few wards from Grantham into Rutland+Stamford Only three constituencies changed. Also, compared to keeping Leicestershire whole it makes the maths way easier for any further Leicestershire changes needed. |
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Post by islington on Dec 1, 2022 9:18:03 GMT
Actually I've now got a fix for the Enderby problem and also the Thurmaston problem. Compared with the the BCE's initial scheme: Melton loses the two Syston wards and gains three (Barrow (thus putting Sileby together), Thurnby and Billesdon (both of which are in the current Rutland & Melton seat). 75259. Loughborough loses one (Barrow) and gains three (Long Whatton, Kegworth and Daleacre Hill). This gives it the Kegworth area but no part of Castle Donington. 76861. NW Leics loses the three just-mentioned wards to Loughborough and gains three (two, Oakthorpe and Appleby, that are currently in the seat, plus one ward from Bosworth (I've settled on Barlestone because of its proximity to Ibstock)). 76291. Bosworth loses those three wards to NW Leics and gains two (Ratby (which is in the current seat) and Normanton). 76759. Mid Leics loses five wards (Enderby, Narborough, Normanton, Pastures and Ratby) and gains four (Ellis, Fairestone and Syston x 2) - note that all of the four wards gained are in the current equivalent seat of Charnwood, and all of the five lost are not. 75570. Blaby & Wigston (or whatever you end up calling it) loses two (Countesthorpe and Stanton) and gains three (Enderby, Narborough and Pastures, thus keeping Enderby together). 75131. Harborough loses Thurnby and Billedon and gains Countesthorpe and Stanton. 75412. Sorry, no map because I'm not at my usual computer. I tried mapping it, and I think your Melton is over quota; I suspect you missed Bottesford, which has the missing electorate. It should be rescuable by splitting Billesdon & Tilton ward, which is one of those multi-parish rural wards, but I doubt you'll want to go there. I also think Croft Hill looks horribly out on a limb; I'd swap it with Normanton. Edit: I see you already thought that. Right, here's a plan (now with added Bottesford) that sorts out both Enderby and Thurmaston, but I'm not submitting it. Some of the seats are not too bad, but Bosworth (or whatever you'd call it), although legal and contiguous, is a monster.  |
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Post by islington on Dec 2, 2022 17:55:30 GMT
And just write the tags in the main body, don't bother with the buttons.  Many thanks Has this definitely gone in?
I'm still debating whether to do a submission in E Mids, but if I do I'd gladly say a word in its support.
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Post by lestalibdem on Dec 3, 2022 10:17:16 GMT
Has this definitely gone in?
I'm still debating whether to do a submission in E Mids, but if I do I'd gladly say a word in its support.
Yes, its 111500. |
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Post by islington on Dec 3, 2022 13:09:26 GMT
It's a dangerous thing, this Leicestershire-fiddling - more addictive than crack cocaine. But this arrangement (Plan A) is legal, and is still clearly based upon the BCE's initial scheme. It sorts out Enderby and Thurmaston. Melton looks very awkward, although there are roads. Bosworth (or whatever you'd call it) includes two orphan wards.
Or this one (Plan B). It departs more widely from the initial scheme, but Melton looks better, and the Mid Leics seat is actually starting to look reasonably compact. Admittedly Blaby (or whatever you'd call it) now looks rather strung out, but we've all seen worse. If preferred, in this scheme (and the previous one) Loughborough can take Castle Rock instead of Long Whatton.
 Or there's my fallback position (Plan C), which may be a more salable proposition inasmuch as it resembles the BCE initial plan more closely than the other two. But Enderby is divided and Thurmaston is isolated from the rest of Mid Leics.
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Post by lestalibdem on Dec 4, 2022 10:32:17 GMT
Given that BCE has said that they are unwilling to change their initial Hinckley & Bosworth and North West Leicestershire, the room for manouvre is extremely tight. I have worked out a legal 5 seat rest of Leicestershire, but it has nothing to recommend it.
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Post by islington on Dec 4, 2022 12:19:10 GMT
Given that BCE has said that they are unwilling to change their initial Hinckley & Bosworth and North West Leicestershire, the room for manouvre is extremely tight. I have worked out a legal 5 seat rest of Leicestershire, but it has nothing to recommend it. Was this it?  All these seats are legal and actually four of them are perfectly presentable. And then there's S Leics.
S Leics and Blaby are both over 77000, which slightly eases things elsewhere.
I'm still mulling over what to do here. At the moment I'm slightly leaning toward the Plan B I posted yesterday, but if anyone wants to offer suggestions or advice, I'm all ears.
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Post by YL on Dec 5, 2022 7:55:29 GMT
Given that BCE has said that they are unwilling to change their initial Hinckley & Bosworth and North West Leicestershire, the room for manouvre is extremely tight. I have worked out a legal 5 seat rest of Leicestershire, but it has nothing to recommend it. Was this it? All these seats are legal and actually four of them are perfectly presentable. And then there's S Leics. S Leics and Blaby are both over 77000, which slightly eases things elsewhere. I'm still mulling over what to do here. At the moment I'm slightly leaning toward the Plan B I posted yesterday, but if anyone wants to offer suggestions or advice, I'm all ears.
If you were prepared to split one Harborough ward (Lubenham, Kibworths or Thurnby & Houghton) you could probably (I haven't checked polling district electorates, but there are lots of small parishes and there's a reasonable amount of leeway) modify that to have the same Loughborough and Charnwood seats and a seat coterminous with Blaby district. The resulting Oadby & Wigston/Lutterworth seat isn't exactly a thing of beauty, though. If the main objection is to the three county seat, it might be worth looking at crossing the Leics/Lincs border in the Vale of Belvoir area instead. But I don't feel that strongly that two two county seats are better than one three county seat. |
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Post by islington on Dec 5, 2022 10:08:30 GMT
Was this it? All these seats are legal and actually four of them are perfectly presentable. And then there's S Leics. S Leics and Blaby are both over 77000, which slightly eases things elsewhere. I'm still mulling over what to do here. At the moment I'm slightly leaning toward the Plan B I posted yesterday, but if anyone wants to offer suggestions or advice, I'm all ears.
If you were prepared to split one Harborough ward (Lubenham, Kibworths or Thurnby & Houghton) you could probably (I haven't checked polling district electorates, but there are lots of small parishes and there's a reasonable amount of leeway) modify that to have the same Loughborough and Charnwood seats and a seat coterminous with Blaby district. The resulting Oadby & Wigston/Lutterworth seat isn't exactly a thing of beauty, though. If the main objection is to the three county seat, it might be worth looking at crossing the Leics/Lincs border in the Vale of Belvoir area instead. But I don't feel that strongly that two two county seats are better than one three county seat. Well, this was less a serious suggestion and more an attempt to guess what lestalibdem might have cooked up. Although having said that, I really like the Blaby seat (wharever you'd call it), which despite extending into three LAs is logical and compact and has an extremely helpful electorate of 77053, only 9 short of the maximum. Loughborough and Charnwood / Mid Leics are good too, and the E Leics seat would be at least defensible had the BCE not clearly rejected the idea of linking Melton and Harborough. It's S Leics that lets it down - although even that is better than Gleneagles & Denny (or whatever it's called).
I think I'm going with the Plan B I suggested on Saturday. I'll present it as an adjustment of the BCE's initial plan. I think this is fair enough because compared with that scheme, no seat gains more than three wards and only Melton loses as many as four, and given the generally small size of wards in Leics it's a case of tweaking round the edges rather than wholesale change. And some of the tweaks are pretty beneficial, such as more compact Mid Leics and Blaby seats, and no boundary through the middle of Sileby.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Dec 5, 2022 10:11:40 GMT
Was this it? All these seats are legal and actually four of them are perfectly presentable. And then there's S Leics. S Leics and Blaby are both over 77000, which slightly eases things elsewhere. I'm still mulling over what to do here. At the moment I'm slightly leaning toward the Plan B I posted yesterday, but if anyone wants to offer suggestions or advice, I'm all ears.
If you were prepared to split one Harborough ward (Lubenham, Kibworths or Thurnby & Houghton) you could probably (I haven't checked polling district electorates, but there are lots of small parishes and there's a reasonable amount of leeway) modify that to have the same Loughborough and Charnwood seats and a seat coterminous with Blaby district. The resulting Oadby & Wigston/Lutterworth seat isn't exactly a thing of beauty, though. If the main objection is to the three county seat, it might be worth looking at crossing the Leics/Lincs border in the Vale of Belvoir area instead. But I don't feel that strongly that two two county seats are better than one three county seat. Something like the one I suggested here? One more possibility:  Melton & Harborough 75756 Loughborough 76861 NW Leics 76306 Bosworth 76487 S Leics 75660 Wigston & Lutterworth 76476 I don't like the orphan wards, but you can get rid of most of those by giving S Leics Countesthorpe and Croft Hill (making it co-extensive with Blaby district) and returning Broughton Astley to the Wigston seat, then splitting a ward - the most suitable option would seem to be moving the parish of Lubenham and the bit of Market Harborough in Lubenham ward to Melton & Harborough. I don't care enough to propose this, but anybody who wants to play with this is welcome to it. |
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Post by YL on Dec 5, 2022 10:33:59 GMT
EAL: yes, something very like that.
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Post by islington on Dec 5, 2022 16:26:31 GMT
Right. I don't expect anything to come of it, but it's gone in. BCE-115395.
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Post by greatkingrat on Jun 28, 2023 10:36:38 GMT
No changes to boundaries in final report.
3 name changes
Grantham -> Grantham and Bourne
Harborough -> Harborough, Oadby and Wigston
Wellingborough -> Wellingborough and Rushden
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 28, 2023 10:39:57 GMT
3 name changes, for the worse.
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Post by YL on Jun 28, 2023 16:59:30 GMT
3 name changes, for the worse. I'm going to disagree here, or at least play devil's advocate. I've always thought that "Harborough" was a bad name: the majority of the constituency is Leicester suburbs which form their own district (though of course I would favour annexing them to the city they are functionally part of) and rather obviously do not look to Market Harborough. The new name is a bit of a mouthful but it is a much better description of the constituency and I wouldn't have expected the BCE to make a decision to prefer one of Oadby or Wigston over the other. Brevity should not be the only criterion. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 28, 2023 17:13:05 GMT
Speaking of which, Blaby remains the only appropriate name for the seat renamed in 2010.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 13, 2023 23:23:41 GMT
After working out the electorate transfers between old and new constituencies, here's the analysis for East Midlands. Seven constituencies were unchanged: Chesterfield, Derby North, Derby South, Erewash, High Peak, Lincoln, and South Holland and the Deepings. As the region gained one additional seat, one of the old constituencies was the base for two new ones and that was Rutland and Melton (for Melton and Syston CC and for Rutland and Stamford CC). The Index of Change for the 40 new constituencies is: | Constituency | Index of Change | | Amber Valley CC | 0.1 | | Bolsover CC | 0.8 | | North East Derbyshire CC | 0.9 | | Rushcliffe CC | 1.5 | | Gainsborough CC | 2.7 | | Leicester East BC | 2.9 | | Mansfield CC | 3.5 | | Bassetlaw CC | 4.3 | | Kettering CC | 4.7 | | Mid Derbyshire CC | 4.8 | | North West Leicestershire CC | 5.3 | | Gedling CC | 6.9 | | Loughborough CC | 7.7 | | Harborough, Oadby and Wigston CC | 8.0 | | Boston and Skegness CC | 9.2 | | Louth and Horncastle CC | 10.7 | | Corby and East Northamptonshire CC | 10.7 | | South Derbyshire CC | 11.6 | | Leicester West BC | 12.8 | | Newark CC | 13.5 | | Sherwood Forest CC | 13.6 | | Nottingham East BC | 13.7 | | Leicester South BC | 13.7 | | Daventry CC | 17.4 | | Hinckley and Bosworth CC | 18.0 | | Ashfield CC | 18.0 | | Wellingborough and Rushden CC | 18.9 | | Derbyshire Dales CC | 19.1 | | Sleaford and North Hykeham CC | 21.3 | | South Leicestershire CC | 21.8 | | Broxtowe CC | 33.0 | | Northampton North BC | 34.1 | | Nottingham South BC | 34.5 | | South Northamptonshire CC | 43.6 | | Nottingham North and Kimberley BC | 47.1 | | Mid Leicestershire CC | 60.2 | | Grantham and Bourne CC | 60.6 | | Northampton South BC | 73.2 | | Rutland and Stamford CC | 85.7 | | Melton and Syston CC | 91.5 |
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and that's much closer than Melton and where the road links go. Why does Leicestershire have that long northeastern tail anyways... 
