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Post by islington on Jul 12, 2023 13:33:41 GMT
Completely agree. The regional boundaries are now utterly obsolete and I'd hope that they will not be a factor in the next review. I'd like to go one step further. The Anglo-Welsh border shouldn't be considered sacrosanct. Historically, it wasn't.
From 1868 to 1918 the Parliamentary Borough of Chester included an area on the other side of the Welsh border. Farther south, from 1832 Presteign PB, contributory to Radnor, included a small bite out of Herefordshire and this continued until Radnor Boroughs was abolished in 1885.
Having said that, I don't imagine it will be crossed again in the foreseeable future. And barring a complete overhaul of the boundary review system, I expect the regional boundaries within England to retain their present status at the next review.
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Post by YL on Jul 12, 2023 20:23:33 GMT
I'd like to go one step further. The Anglo-Welsh border shouldn't be considered sacrosanct. Historically, it wasn't.
From 1868 to 1918 the Parliamentary Borough of Chester included an area on the other side of the Welsh border. Farther south, from 1832 Presteign PB, contributory to Radnor, included a small bite out of Herefordshire and this continued until Radnor Boroughs was abolished in 1885.
Having said that, I don't imagine it will be crossed again in the foreseeable future. And barring a complete overhaul of the boundary review system, I expect the regional boundaries within England to retain their present status at the next review.
I wonder how close Saltney came to actually being incorporated into the city of Chester and thus being transferred to England. There are a few cases where small areas were transferred between England and Wales (in both directions) as a result of the abolition of exclaves. E.g. this exclave of Herefordshire (green) in Radnorshire (orange). |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 29, 2023 12:24:20 GMT
The North West region has an overall reduction of two constituencies from 75 to 73. 12 constituencies are unchanged: Altrincham and Sale West BC Bootle BC Cheadle BC Hyndburn CC Macclesfield CC Oldham East and Saddleworth CC Oldham West, Chadderton and Royton BC (name changed from Oldham West and Royton BC) St Helens North CC Stretford and Urmston BC West Lancashire CC Wigan CC Wythenshawe and Sale East BC In addition, Stalybridge and Hyde has had a boundary alteration involving no electors. Four constituencies are not the base for any new constituency: Denton and Reddish: 39.4% to Gorton and Denton, 31.5% to Stockport, 29.0% to Ashton-under-Lyne Penrith and The Border: 43.4% to Penrith and Solway, 30.3% to Westmorland and Lonsdale, 26.4% to Carlisle Wirral South: 40.3% to Ellesmere Port and Bromborough, 38.9% to Wirral West, 20.8% to Birkenhead Wyre and Preston North: 30.9% to Ribble Valley, 24.4% to Lancaster and Wyre, 16.3% to Fylde, 15.9% to Blackpool North and Fleetwood, 12.5% to Preston However two constituencies are the base for two new constituencies: Eddisbury is 58.5% of Chester South and Eddisbury, and 41.5% of Mid Cheshire. Manchester Central is 63.4% of the new Manchester Central, and 51.2% of Manchester Rusholme. The Index of Change in the changed new constituencies is: | Constituency | Index of Change | | Stalybridge and Hyde CC | 0.0 | | Warrington North CC | 0.2 | | Makerfield BC | 2.8 | | Rossendale and Darwen CC | 3.1 | | Blackburn BC | 3.1 | | Chorley CC | 4.4 | | Crewe and Nantwich CC | 6.2 | | Wallasey BC | 9.4 | | Rochdale CC | 10.3 | | St Helens South and Whiston BC | 10.8 | | Barrow and Furness CC | 11.5 | | Warrington South CC | 11.7 | | Bury North BC | 12.6 | | Congleton CC | 14.1 | | Bolton North East BC | 14.4 | | Burnley CC | 16.1 | | Manchester Withington BC | 16.5 | | Hazel Grove CC | 16.7 | | Birkenhead BC | 18.7 | | Tatton CC | 21.2 | | Knowsley BC | 21.8 | | Sefton Central CC | 22.5 | | Bury South BC | 23.2 | | Preston BC | 25.1 | | Fylde CC | 25.4 | | Bolton West CC | 28.6 | | Heywood and Middleton North CC | 29.6 | | Leigh and Atherton BC | 29.7 | | South Ribble CC | 30.2 | | Salford BC | 32.8 | | Southport CC | 33.2 | | Blackpool South BC | 33.7 | | Liverpool Garston BC | 35.9 | | Carlisle CC | 36.5 | | Morecambe and Lunesdale CC | 42.3 | | Chester North and Neston CC | 48.7 | | Pendle and Clitheroe CC | 48.7 | | Stockport BC | 48.9 | | Ashton-under-Lyne BC | 50.9 | | Wirral West CC | 51.3 | | Westmorland and Lonsdale CC | 52.2 | | Liverpool Riverside BC | 61.6 | | Ribble Valley CC | 63.7 | | Ellesmere Port and Bromborough BC | 64.9 | | Widnes and Halewood CC | 65.1 | | Whitehaven and Workington CC | 65.2 | | Bolton South and Walkden BC | 66.5 | | Lancaster and Wyre CC | 73.9 | | Worsley and Eccles CC | 74.1 | | Liverpool West Derby BC | 75.2 | | Blackley and Middleton South BC | 75.7 | | Liverpool Walton BC | 76.0 | | Manchester Central BC | 78.7 | | Blackpool North and Fleetwood BC | 80.1 | | Liverpool Wavertree BC | 81.1 | | Chester South and Eddisbury CC | 83.6 | | Runcorn and Helsby CC | 94.5 | | Gorton and Denton BC | 95.1 | | Manchester Rusholme BC | 98.2 | | Penrith and Solway CC | 109.9 | | Mid Cheshire CC | 116.0 |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jul 29, 2023 22:33:03 GMT
What is the change in Stalybridge and Hyde (and what is the point of it?). Was it a ward boundary change?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 29, 2023 23:00:15 GMT
What is the change in Stalybridge and Hyde (and what is the point of it?). Was it a ward boundary change? It is shown on the map as two separate alterations to the boundaries of Stockport and Tameside districts, to the east of Woodley where the boundary moves slightly west, and south of Werneth Low Road in the area of Uplands Road where the boundary moves slightly north. |
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Post by owainsutton on Jul 29, 2023 23:16:31 GMT
What is the change in Stalybridge and Hyde (and what is the point of it?). Was it a ward boundary change? It is shown on the map as two separate alterations to the boundaries of Stockport and Tameside districts, to the east of Woodley where the boundary moves slightly west, and south of Werneth Low Road in the area of Uplands Road where the boundary moves slightly north. Sounds more like a mapping/data error than an actual change. |
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