2023 Review - North West

[J.G.Harston]

Jan 5, 2021 13:39:34 GMT andrewteale said:

The North West works out as:

Cumbria 5.31
Lancashire 15.18 including Blackburrn and Blackpool
Lanc Merseyside 10.97
Cheshire and Wirral 14.60
Greater Manchester 27.24

Cumbria can't stand alone and will need to be paired with Lancashire for 20.49 quotas and an allocation of 20. Rounding the other three areas to the nearest whole number gives the required 73.

Lanc Merseyside works out as 3 seats for Sefton and 8 for the rest.

For Greater Manchester, only Manchester (4.89), Stockport (3.02) and Bury (1.95) can theoretically stand alone. Oldham + Rochdale + Tameside is 6.75 quotas, Bolton + Wigan + Salford + Trafford is 10.65 quotas so at least one of Manchester or Bury would need to be disturbed to get the correct allocation of 27. Bury North is under tolerance so you have to do something with it.

[owainsutton]

Cross-borough constituencies within Greater Manchester is no big deal, it's common among the current arrangements. Do the numbers allow for them all to remain contiguous with the overall GM boundary, though? A big issue with the previous proposals was that one constituency would have had to cross that line ('Altrincham and Tatton Park' was the recommended fudge, a Frankenstein monster covering from Knutsford to Partington).

[Deleted]

Jan 5, 2021 18:57:27 GMT owainsutton said:

Cross-borough constituencies within Greater Manchester is no big deal, it's common among the current arrangements. Do the numbers allow for them all to remain contiguous with the overall GM boundary, though? A big issue with the previous proposals was that one constituency would have had to cross that line ('Altrincham and Tatton' was the recommended fudge).

With 27.24 quotas, I would guess so, but the numbers are going to be tight in all the NW county groupings

[andrewteale]

The six south-eastern boroughs work out quite nicely, but I've got into a horrible mess in the Bolton/Bury/Salford/Wigan area. The problem is that the current Leigh seat is out of range and the ward sizes are extremely awkward.

[andrewteale]

Well, it's a first draft.

Stockport (entitlement 3.02, allocation 3)
CHEADLE (73775) - unchanged
HAZEL GROVE (72941) - gains Manor from Stockport
STOCKPORT (74769) - loses Manor to Hazel Grove, gains Reddish from Denton and Reddish

Manchester, Oldham, Rochdale, Tameside and Trafford (entitlement 13.96, allocation 14)
This worked out surprisingly easily.
OLDHAM EAST AND SADDLEWORTH (72997) - unchanged
ROCHDALE (71697) - loses Spotland and Falinge ward to Heywood and Middleton.
HEYWOOD AND ROYTON (72853) - successor to Heywood and Middleton. Gains Spotland from Rochdale and the Royton wards from Oldham West and Royton, loses the four Middleton wards.
OLDHAM WEST (73746) - loses Royton to Heywood and Royton, gains Failsworth from Ashton-under-Lyne.
BLACKLEY AND MIDDLETON (75653) - the four Middleton wards and the four northernmost wards of Manchester.
MANCHESTER CENTRAL (72819) - Ancoats, Ardwick, Cheetham, Deansgate, Hulme, Moss Side, Piccadilly.
MANCHESTER EAST (75220) - Clayton, Gorton, Miles Platting, Moston, and Audenshaw and Droylsden from Tameside.
ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE AND STALYBRIDGE (71134) - the four Ashton wards, the two Stalybridge wards, Dukinfield Stalybridge and Mossley.  Reorienting the Tameside seats avoided having to split one of the main towns in the borough.
DENTON AND HYDE (72657) - the three Denton wards, the three Hyde wards, Dukinfield and Longdendale.
MANCHESTER RUSHOLME (70397) - successor to Gorton. Gains Burnage from Withington, loses Gorton and Abbey Hey to Manchester East.
MANCHESTER WITHINGTON (71614) - loses Burnage to Manchester Gorton, realigns to new wards
STRETFORD AND URMSTON (73212) - unchanged
ALTRINCHAM AND SALE WEST (73934) - unchanged
WYTHENSHAWE AND SALE EAST (76971) - unchanged

Bury, Bolton, Wigan and Salford (10.27 quotas, allocation 10)
As you will see, it was a struggle to fit this in. The main issue is that the present Leigh constituency is only just outside tolerance and there are very limited options for redrawing it.
BURY (75652) - The current Bury North plus Unsworth; as per the last Boundary Commission recommendations
PRESTWICH AND SWINTON (76618) - Whitefield and Prestwich from Bury, and Swinton, Pendlebury and Broughton from Salford.
SALFORD AND ECCLES (75017) - Includes Kersal and now all of Eccles.
WORSLEY (75262) - Worsley, Irlam, Cadishead, Walkden, Tyldesley and Astley Mosley Common
LEIGH (76833) - Regains Atherton from Bolton West, loses Astley Mosley Common and Tyldesley, gains Little Hulton. Yes, this is contiguous. Splitting Little Hulton off Walkden was the only way I could see to keep this seat in tolerance.
FARNWORTH AND RADCLIFFE (76235) - As per the last Boundary Commission recommendations.
BOLTON NORTH EAST (75897) - Gains Great Lever and Rumworth, loses Astley Bridge.
BOLTON WEST (72518) - Gains Astley Bridge, loses Atherton.
MAKERFIELD (74400) - Unchanged.
WIGAN (75607) - Unchanged.

I also found a solution allocating 7 seats to Bury, Bolton and Salford, leaving Wigan to be combined with Warrington; but that was far uglier.

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*Blackpool North and Fleetwood (71,541)
*Blackpool South (79,564, over quota)
*Fylde (80,603, over quota)
*North Lancashire (74,280)
*Preston (74,649)
*Pendle and Clitheroe (71,233)
*Burnley (71,757)
*Rossendale and Darwen (76,982)
*Blackburn (74,925)
*Hyndburn (73,872)



*Blackpool North and Fleetwood (72,030)
*Blackpool South (71,428)
*North Lancashire (74,280)
*Fylde (76,932)
*Three undesignated wards that send everything around it out of quota



*Blackpool North and Fleetwood (76,022)
*Blackpool South (81,825 (over quota))
*Fylde (78,960 (over quota))
*North Lancashire (73,099)



*North Lancashire (81,344 (over quota))
*Blackpool North and Fleetwood (75,929)
*Fylde Coast (75,609)
*Poulton (73,106)
*Preston (74,649)

[manchesterman]

andrewteale has teed me up by highlighting the issues around the problem of Wigan MBC, so that led me to start there and work outwards from there as part of my strategy.

I managed to keep within the minimum / maximum allocations, just, but I did have to cross a few council boundaries, although I kept it to an absolute minimum.  I appreciate some seats will lead to pitchforks being drawn, but options are severely restricted by the tight(70-77k) thresholds. I was pleased however to be able to reintroduce a seat based on the old Littleborough & Saddleworth seat which I think is iconic despite the cross-council issues it results in!

So here’s my take on the GM seats:

Wigan West [75311] – Standish, Shevington, Pemberton, Orrell, Winstanley, Bryn, Worsley Mesnes, Douglas (all Wigan MBC)

Leigh [77053] – Atherton, Atherleigh, Hindley Green, Leigh West/East/South, Lowton West/East (all Wigan MBC)

Wigan East & Westhoughton [76522] – Wigan W, WiganCen, Ince, Ashton, Abram, Hindley (Wigan MBC) + Westhoughton North/South (Bolton MBC)

Bolton West [72390] – Bromley Cross, Astley Bridge, Smithills, Heaton-Lostock, Horwich NE, Horwich-Blackrod (Bolton MBC) + Aspull (Wigan MBC)

Bolton East [75059] – Bradshaw, Breightmet, Tonge, Crompton, Halliwell, Rumworth, Great Lever, Little & Darcy Lever (all Bolton MBC)

Hulton & Walkden [75588] – Hulton, Harper Green, Farnworth, Kearsley (Bolton MBC) + Pendlebury, Walkden North/South, Little Hulton (Salford MBC)

Worsley & Tyldesley [75943] – Tyldesley, Astley Mosley Common (Wigan MBC) + Cadishead, Irlam, Boothstown-Ellenbrook, Worsley, Swinton-Wardley, Swinton Park (Salford MBC)

Salford & Eccles [73785] – Barton-Winton, Eccles, Claremont, Weaste-Seedley, Quays, Ordsall, Pendleton, Broughton, Blackfriars-Trinity (all Salford MBC)

Bury South [75955] – Radcliffe North/East/West, Pilkington Park, Besses, Holyrood, St Marys, Sedgley (Bury MBC) + Kersal-Broughton Park (Salford MBC)

Bury North [75652] – Ramsbottom, North Manor, Tottington, Elton, Moorside, East, Church, Redvales, Unsworth (all Bury MBC)

Rochdale [72570] – Norden, Spotland-Falinge, Bamford, Central, Milkstone-Deeplish, Healey, Wardle, Smallbridge-Firgrove, Kingsway (all Rochdale MBC)

Littleborough & Saddleworth [73979] – Littleborough Lakeside, Milnrow-Newhey (Rochdale MBC) + Saddleworth North/South/West, Shaw, St James (Oldham MBC) + Mossley (Tameside MBC)

Heywood & Middleton [72746] – Balderstone-Kirkholt, Castleton, Heywood North/West, Hopwood Hall, Middleton West/North/South/East (all Rochdale MBC)

Oldham & Royton [73684] – Crompton, Royton North/South, Coldhurst, St Marys, Alexandra, Medlock Vale, Hollinwood (all Oldham MBC)

Ashton & Stalybridge [71541] – Ashton Waterloo/Hurst/St Peters/St Michaels, Dukinfield, Dukinfield-Stalybridge, Stalybridge North/South (all Tameside MBC)

Denton & Hyde [72959] – Audenshaw, Denton West/South/NorthEast, Hyde Newton/Godley/Werneth, Longdendale (all Tameside MBC)

Manchester North & Chadderton [74111] – Chadderton North/Central/South, Failsworth West/East (Oldham MBC) + Moston, Charlestown, Higher Blackley (Manchester MBC)

Manchester East & Droylsden [75453] – Ancoats-Beswick, Miles Platting-Newton Heath, Clayton-Openshaw, Gorton-Abbey Hey, Longsight (Manchester MBC) + Droylsden West/East (Tameside MBC)

Manchester Central [70297] – Harpurhey, Crumpsall, Cheetham, Deansgate, Piccadilly, Ardwick, Hulme (all Manchester MBC)

Moss Side & Levenshulme [71580] – Moss Side, Whalley Range, Fallowfield, Rusholme, Levenshulme, Burnage (all Manchester MBC)

Didsbury & Chorlton [71606] – Chorlton, Chorlton Park, Old Moat, Withington, Didsbury West/East (all Manchester MBC)

Stockport [74291] – Reddish North/South, Brinnington-Central, Manor, Heatons North/South, Edgeley-Cheadle Heath (all Stockport MBC)

Hazel Grove [72818] – Bredbury-Woodley, Bredbury Green-Romiley, Marple North/South, Offerton, Hazel Grove, Stepping Hill (all Stockport MBC)

Cheadle [74336] – Davenport-Cale Green, Bramhall North/South, Cheadle Hulme North/South, Cheadle-Gatley, Heald Green (all Stockport MBC)

Altrincham-Ringway [74923] – Ashton-on-Mersey, St Marys, Bucklow-St Martins, Broadheath, Altrincham, Bowdon, Hale Central, Hale Barns (Trafford MBC) + Woodhouse Park (Manchester MBC)

Wythenshawe & Brooklands [74942] – Sale Moor, Brooklands, Timperley, Village (Trafford MBC) + Brooklands, Baguley, Sharston, Northenden (Manchester MBC)

Stretford & Urmston [74192] – Priory, Stretford, Urmston, Flixton, Davyhulme West/East, Gorse Hill, Longford, Clifford (all Trafford MBC)

[Pete Whitehead]

Jan 7, 2021 18:36:06 GMT manchesterman said:

andrewteale has teed me up by highlighting the issues around the problem of Wigan MBC, so that led me to start there and work outwards from there as part of my strategy.

I managed to keep within the minimum / maximum allocations, just, but I did have to cross a few council boundaries, although I kept it to an absolute minimum.  I appreciate some seats will lead to pitchforks being drawn, but options are severely restricted by the tight(70-77k) thresholds. I was pleased however to be able to reintroduce a seat based on the old Littleborough & Saddleworth seat which I think is iconic despite the cross-council issues it results in!

So here’s my take on the GM seats:

Littleborough & Saddleworth [73979] – Littleborough Lakeside, Milnrow-Newhey (Rochdale MBC) + Saddleworth North/South/West, Shaw, St James (Oldham MBC) + Mossley (Tameside MBC)



Oldham & Royton [73684] – Crompton, Royton North/South, Coldhurst, St Marys, Alexandra, Medlock Vale, Hollinwood (all Oldham MBC)

Surely you would swap Crompton for Waterhead here?

[manchesterman]

That would actually be feasible Pete. Only about 100 electors differential so it would work. As with all these things, it's just a first draft (and it's not like they are going to take me up on my proposals)

And dont call me Shirley

[andrewteale]

Jan 7, 2021 18:36:06 GMT manchesterman said:

andrewteale has teed me up by highlighting the issues around the problem of Wigan MBC, so that led me to start there and work outwards from there as part of my strategy.

I managed to keep within the minimum / maximum allocations, just, but I did have to cross a few council boundaries, although I kept it to an absolute minimum.  I appreciate some seats will lead to pitchforks being drawn, but options are severely restricted by the tight(70-77k) thresholds. I was pleased however to be able to reintroduce a seat based on the old Littleborough & Saddleworth seat which I think is iconic despite the cross-council issues it results in!

So here’s my take on the GM seats:

Wigan West [75311] – Standish, Shevington, Pemberton, Orrell, Winstanley, Bryn, Worsley Mesnes, Douglas (all Wigan MBC)

Leigh [77053] – Atherton, Atherleigh, Hindley Green, Leigh West/East/South, Lowton West/East (all Wigan MBC)

Wigan East & Westhoughton [76522] – Wigan W, WiganCen, Ince, Ashton, Abram, Hindley (Wigan MBC) + Westhoughton North/South (Bolton MBC)

Bolton West [72390] – Bromley Cross, Astley Bridge, Smithills, Heaton-Lostock, Horwich NE, Horwich-Blackrod (Bolton MBC) + Aspull (Wigan MBC)

Bolton East [75059] – Bradshaw, Breightmet, Tonge, Crompton, Halliwell, Rumworth, Great Lever, Little & Darcy Lever (all Bolton MBC)

Hulton & Walkden [75588] – Hulton, Harper Green, Farnworth, Kearsley (Bolton MBC) + Pendlebury, Walkden North/South, Little Hulton (Salford MBC)

Worsley & Tyldesley [75943] – Tyldesley, Astley Mosley Common (Wigan MBC) + Cadishead, Irlam, Boothstown-Ellenbrook, Worsley, Swinton-Wardley, Swinton Park (Salford MBC)

Salford & Eccles [73785] – Barton-Winton, Eccles, Claremont, Weaste-Seedley, Quays, Ordsall, Pendleton, Broughton, Blackfriars-Trinity (all Salford MBC)

Bury South [75955] – Radcliffe North/East/West, Pilkington Park, Besses, Holyrood, St Marys, Sedgley (Bury MBC) + Kersal-Broughton Park (Salford MBC)

Bury North [75652] – Ramsbottom, North Manor, Tottington, Elton, Moorside, East, Church, Redvales, Unsworth (all Bury MBC)

Rochdale [72570] – Norden, Spotland-Falinge, Bamford, Central, Milkstone-Deeplish, Healey, Wardle, Smallbridge-Firgrove, Kingsway (all Rochdale MBC)

Littleborough & Saddleworth [73979] – Littleborough Lakeside, Milnrow-Newhey (Rochdale MBC) + Saddleworth North/South/West, Shaw, St James (Oldham MBC) + Mossley (Tameside MBC)

Heywood & Middleton [72746] – Balderstone-Kirkholt, Castleton, Heywood North/West, Hopwood Hall, Middleton West/North/South/East (all Rochdale MBC)

Oldham & Royton [73684] – Crompton, Royton North/South, Coldhurst, St Marys, Alexandra, Medlock Vale, Hollinwood (all Oldham MBC)

Ashton & Stalybridge [71541] – Ashton Waterloo/Hurst/St Peters/St Michaels, Dukinfield, Dukinfield-Stalybridge, Stalybridge North/South (all Tameside MBC)

Denton & Hyde [72959] – Audenshaw, Denton West/South/NorthEast, Hyde Newton/Godley/Werneth, Longdendale (all Tameside MBC)

Manchester North & Chadderton [74111] – Chadderton North/Central/South, Failsworth West/East (Oldham MBC) + Moston, Charlestown, Higher Blackley (Manchester MBC)

Manchester East & Droylsden [75453] – Ancoats-Beswick, Miles Platting-Newton Heath, Clayton-Openshaw, Gorton-Abbey Hey, Longsight (Manchester MBC) + Droylsden West/East (Tameside MBC)

Manchester Central [70297] – Harpurhey, Crumpsall, Cheetham, Deansgate, Piccadilly, Ardwick, Hulme (all Manchester MBC)

Moss Side & Levenshulme [71580] – Moss Side, Whalley Range, Fallowfield, Rusholme, Levenshulme, Burnage (all Manchester MBC)

Didsbury & Chorlton [71606] – Chorlton, Chorlton Park, Old Moat, Withington, Didsbury West/East (all Manchester MBC)

Stockport [74291] – Reddish North/South, Brinnington-Central, Manor, Heatons North/South, Edgeley-Cheadle Heath (all Stockport MBC)

Hazel Grove [72818] – Bredbury-Woodley, Bredbury Green-Romiley, Marple North/South, Offerton, Hazel Grove, Stepping Hill (all Stockport MBC)

Cheadle [74336] – Davenport-Cale Green, Bramhall North/South, Cheadle Hulme North/South, Cheadle-Gatley, Heald Green (all Stockport MBC)

Altrincham-Ringway [74923] – Ashton-on-Mersey, St Marys, Bucklow-St Martins, Broadheath, Altrincham, Bowdon, Hale Central, Hale Barns (Trafford MBC) + Woodhouse Park (Manchester MBC)

Wythenshawe & Brooklands [74942] – Sale Moor, Brooklands, Timperley, Village (Trafford MBC) + Brooklands, Baguley, Sharston, Northenden (Manchester MBC)

Stretford & Urmston [74192] – Priory, Stretford, Urmston, Flixton, Davyhulme West/East, Gorse Hill, Longford, Clifford (all Trafford MBC)

Nice work in Bury and Salford which is pretty much what I wanted to draw there.

I'm beginning to think the best solution to Wigan is to have a cross-boundary seat with Warrington (which should also give the Cheshire seats more room to work with). I'll have a play around.

[manchesterman]

I thought bringing Kersal into Bury South made sense due to the common Jewish communities there. Wigan is a pig's ear, I agree.

[East Anglian Lefty]

Jan 6, 2021 0:04:37 GMT andrewteale said:

Well, it's a first draft.

Stockport (entitlement 3.02, allocation 3)
CHEADLE (73775) - unchanged
HAZEL GROVE (72941) - gains Manor from Stockport
STOCKPORT (74769) - loses Manor to Hazel Grove, gains Reddish from Denton and Reddish

Manchester, Oldham, Rochdale, Tameside and Trafford (entitlement 13.96, allocation 14)
This worked out surprisingly easily.
OLDHAM EAST AND SADDLEWORTH (72997) - unchanged
ROCHDALE (71697) - loses Spotland and Falinge ward to Heywood and Middleton.
HEYWOOD AND ROYTON (72853) - successor to Heywood and Middleton. Gains Spotland from Rochdale and the Royton wards from Oldham West and Royton, loses the four Middleton wards.
OLDHAM WEST (73746) - loses Royton to Heywood and Royton, gains Failsworth from Ashton-under-Lyne.
BLACKLEY AND MIDDLETON (75653) - the four Middleton wards and the four northernmost wards of Manchester.
MANCHESTER CENTRAL (72819) - Ancoats, Ardwick, Cheetham, Deansgate, Hulme, Moss Side, Piccadilly.
MANCHESTER EAST (75220) - Clayton, Gorton, Miles Platting, Moston, and Audenshaw and Droylsden from Tameside.
ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE AND STALYBRIDGE (71134) - the four Ashton wards, the two Stalybridge wards, Dukinfield Stalybridge and Mossley.  Reorienting the Tameside seats avoided having to split one of the main towns in the borough.
DENTON AND HYDE (72657) - the three Denton wards, the three Hyde wards, Dukinfield and Longdendale.
MANCHESTER RUSHOLME (70397) - successor to Gorton. Gains Burnage from Withington, loses Gorton and Abbey Hey to Manchester East.
MANCHESTER WITHINGTON (71614) - loses Burnage to Manchester Gorton, realigns to new wards
STRETFORD AND URMSTON (73212) - unchanged
ALTRINCHAM AND SALE WEST (73934) - unchanged
WYTHENSHAWE AND SALE EAST (76971) - unchanged

Bury, Bolton, Wigan and Salford (10.27 quotas, allocation 10)
As you will see, it was a struggle to fit this in. The main issue is that the present Leigh constituency is only just outside tolerance and there are very limited options for redrawing it.
BURY (75652) - The current Bury North plus Unsworth; as per the last Boundary Commission recommendations
PRESTWICH AND SWINTON (76618) - Whitefield and Prestwich from Bury, and Swinton, Pendlebury and Broughton from Salford.
SALFORD AND ECCLES (75017) - Includes Kersal and now all of Eccles.
WORSLEY (75262) - Worsley, Irlam, Cadishead, Walkden, Tyldesley and Astley Mosley Common
LEIGH (76833) - Regains Atherton from Bolton West, loses Astley Mosley Common and Tyldesley, gains Little Hulton. Yes, this is contiguous. Splitting Little Hulton off Walkden was the only way I could see to keep this seat in tolerance.
FARNWORTH AND RADCLIFFE (76235) - As per the last Boundary Commission recommendations.
BOLTON NORTH EAST (75897) - Gains Great Lever and Rumworth, loses Astley Bridge.
BOLTON WEST (72518) - Gains Astley Bridge, loses Atherton.
MAKERFIELD (74400) - Unchanged.
WIGAN (75607) - Unchanged.

I also found a solution allocating 7 seats to Bury, Bolton and Salford, leaving Wigan to be combined with Warrington; but that was far uglier.

There's an alternate arrangement for Manchester and Tameside which doesn't require reorienting the Tameside seats:

• The Trafford, Rochdale and Oldham seats as Andrew has them
• Manchester Central: Cheetham, Deansgate, Piccadilly, Ancoats, Clayton, Miles Platting, Moston
• Ashton under Lyme: The existing seat less Failsworth, plus Audenshaw and Dukinfield
• Stalybridge & Hyde: unchanged
• Denton & Gorton: The three Denton wards, Gorton, Longsight, Levenshulme and Burnage
• Manchester Moss Side: Hulme, Ardwick, Moss Side, Rusholme, Fallowfield, Whalley Range
• Manchester Withington: Relative to the current seat, loses Burnage
  

Denton & Gorton is an awkward shape, but everything else is extremely neat.

[East Anglian Lefty]

Merseyside is infuriating - it all goes incredibly smoothly, you think you've sorted everything out and then it turns out that the Prescot wards are just the wrong size to stay within quota. With a small ward split it'd be an incredibly easy fix (probably splitting Prescot South along the lines of the Whiston parish boundary) but without it you find yourself having to cross the Liverpool boundary multiple times to avoid splitting Huyton or Halewood.

[Deleted]

Those marked with "+" are over quota.

I've not fathomed anything not mentioned.

Penrith and Cockermouth 71205 Yes
2 Carlisle and Solway Coast 73069 Yes
3 Whitehaven and Maryport 75198 Yes
4 Furness and Ennerdale 76594 Yes
5 South Lakes 76652 Yes
6 Morecambe and Sedbergh 76415 Yes
7 Lune, Wyre and Bowland (+) 84971 7909
8 Fylde 73577 Yes
9 Blackpool North and Fleetwood 74670 Yes
10 Blackpool South 76397 Yes
11 Preston (+) 83528 6466

[Pete Whitehead]

I don't think Wirral can be done without ward splitting

[Pete Whitehead]

..OK - well it can, but I think some of us will be wishing we had Mersey Banks back...



Also this scheme has to nab Bramhall South so that's going to mess up a few other plans. I'm not intending to submit this

[Khunanup]

Jan 8, 2021 1:14:30 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

..OK - well it can, but I think some of us will be wishing we had Mersey Banks back...



Also this scheme has to nab Bramhall South so that's going to mess up a few other plans. I'm not intending to submit this

Yeah, these numbers have really screwed up seats on The Wirral. Sensible seats are literally just outside quota.

I think a ward split or more us definitely justified because otherwise that horror show will have to come to pass.

NB I don't think a Wallasey & Birkenhead proper seat is that outrageous if that's the only way things work without having stupid amounts of split wards. Oxton & Prenton can comfortably be put into a seat with Bebington et al if necessary and Moreton & Upton can go in with points west.

[East Anglian Lefty]

St Helens North (76082) - unchanged
St Helens South (approx 73393) - loses those bits of Prescot South ward that aren't in the parish of Whiscot. Looks like a fairly even split electorate-wise, but if it's not it doesn't really matter as it only needs about a 1000 electors.
Knowsley (74461) - the rest of Knowsley bar Kirkby. Gains Halewood
Kirkby & Walton (76072) - successor to Liverpool Walton. Gains Kirkby, loses Anfield and Everton
Liverpool West Derby (75133) - gains Kensington & Fairfield
Liverpool Riverside (70157) - gains Anfield and Everton, loses the three southern wards
Liverpool Wavertree (73281) - loses Church and Kensington & Fairfield, gains Greenbank, St. Michael's and Mossley Hill
Liverpool Garston (70372) - successor to Garston & Halewood. Lose Halewood, gains Church.

I'm unconvinced you could get the BCE to split a ward, but it does make things extremely neat.

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1 Penrith, Cockermouth and Solway 73014 Yes
2 Carlisle 75721 Yes
3 West Cumberland 75198 Yes
4 Furness and Ennerdale 72133 Yes
5 South Lakes 73558 Yes
6 Morecambe and Lunesdale 75985 Yes
7 Lancaster and Wyre 75568 Yes

[andrewteale]

Jan 8, 2021 1:14:30 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

..OK - well it can, but I think some of us will be wishing we had Mersey Banks back...



Also this scheme has to nab Bramhall South so that's going to mess up a few other plans. I'm not intending to submit this

If you can get it to nab Golborne and Lowton West it would improve the Wigan area.