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Post by bsjmcr on Jul 9, 2023 20:36:09 GMT
But hey, at least it gets people talking. They had to write something as there aren’t so many interesting (to Joe public) headlines to come out of this review as there are relatively few high-profile seat disappearances other than Ben Wallace. Whereas wasn’t it the now-abandoned review that would have had Osborne having to fight it out with Brady over Altrincham and Knutsford, Corbyn vs Abbott/Thornberry in north london, and Johnson vs McDonnell in Hillingdon/Uxbridge? I think even Starmer’s seat would have changed but he wasn’t high profile enough back then. In any case the headlines wrote themselves back in the day. And of course back in ‘97 Lamont had to parachute to Harrogate where he lost anyway.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 11, 2023 9:24:04 GMT
I've just checked the Commissions' maps and will have to read up why "St Helens South and Whiston" doesn't appear to actually include Whiston.
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Post by mattb on Jul 11, 2023 11:26:54 GMT
I've just checked the Commissions' maps and will have to read up why "St Helens South and Whiston" doesn't appear to actually include Whiston. I think it does still include the bulk of it (including the hospital and as far as the station/railway) |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 11, 2023 14:46:46 GMT
« There was also an acceptance, albeit reluctant, that there was no other solution that did not either cause serious disruption across the whole area or require splitting multiple wards,» Lies - lies I tell you! It was very much TINO though as the only real alternative was an utter monstrosity that would have had bits of the Wirral with the area adjacent to the Shropshire border. That would have been an utter joke of a seat and wouldn't have elicited pitchforks, it would have elicited flamethrowers... |
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Post by mattb on Jul 11, 2023 15:56:42 GMT
« There was also an acceptance, albeit reluctant, that there was no other solution that did not either cause serious disruption across the whole area or require splitting multiple wards,» Lies - lies I tell you! It was very much TINO though as the only real alternative was an utter monstrosity that would have had bits of the Wirral with the area adjacent to the Shropshire border. That would have been an utter joke of a seat and wouldn't have elicited pitchforks, it would have elicited flamethrowers... You could also have gone for something like this (with no ward splits at all and fewer crossings of UA boundaries):  |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 11, 2023 16:55:42 GMT
It was very much TINO though as the only real alternative was an utter monstrosity that would have had bits of the Wirral with the area adjacent to the Shropshire border. That would have been an utter joke of a seat and wouldn't have elicited pitchforks, it would have elicited flamethrowers... You could also have gone for something like this (with no ward splits at all and fewer crossings of UA boundaries): Wirral to Northwich... 🤮 |
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Post by John Chanin on Jul 11, 2023 17:21:14 GMT
It was very much TINO though as the only real alternative was an utter monstrosity that would have had bits of the Wirral with the area adjacent to the Shropshire border. That would have been an utter joke of a seat and wouldn't have elicited pitchforks, it would have elicited flamethrowers... You could also have gone for something like this (with no ward splits at all and fewer crossings of UA boundaries): That was (roughly) what I came up with for this area. There really wasn't any good solution. |
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Post by nyx on Jul 11, 2023 18:13:04 GMT
It's difficult because while with a bit of fiddling it would have been possible to fit all of Chester, Ellesmere Port, and the Wirral into five constituencies between them, having such large constituencies there would have made drawing the rest of Cheshire nearly impossible. The least bad option may well have been to accept crossing a regional boundary and shoving Whitchurch into Eddisbury, allowing Chester to reclaim Chester South, and just use a couple of ward splits in the Wirral to make that work.  |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 11, 2023 18:27:24 GMT
It's difficult because while with a bit of fiddling it would have been possible to fit all of Chester, Ellesmere Port, and the Wirral into five constituencies between them, having such large constituencies there would have made drawing the rest of Cheshire nearly impossible. The least bad option may well have been to accept crossing a regional boundary and shoving Whitchurch into Eddisbury, allowing Chester to reclaim Chester South, and just use a couple of ward splits in the Wirral to make that work. As a near local that's by no means a bad idea. In such areas county, even regional, boundaries should not be sacrosanct. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 11, 2023 19:06:25 GMT
It's difficult because while with a bit of fiddling it would have been possible to fit all of Chester, Ellesmere Port, and the Wirral into five constituencies between them, having such large constituencies there would have made drawing the rest of Cheshire nearly impossible. The least bad option may well have been to accept crossing a regional boundary and shoving Whitchurch into Eddisbury, allowing Chester to reclaim Chester South, and just use a couple of ward splits in the Wirral to make that work. I fully endorse your Clatterbridge ward split! |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 11, 2023 19:08:43 GMT
It's difficult because while with a bit of fiddling it would have been possible to fit all of Chester, Ellesmere Port, and the Wirral into five constituencies between them, having such large constituencies there would have made drawing the rest of Cheshire nearly impossible. The least bad option may well have been to accept crossing a regional boundary and shoving Whitchurch into Eddisbury, allowing Chester to reclaim Chester South, and just use a couple of ward splits in the Wirral to make that work. As a near local that's by no means a bad idea. In such areas county, even regional, boundaries should not be sacrosanct. Completely agree. The regional boundaries are now utterly obsolete and I'd hope that they will not be a factor in the next review. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 11, 2023 19:48:09 GMT
As a near local that's by no means a bad idea. In such areas county, even regional, boundaries should not be sacrosanct. Completely agree. The regional boundaries are now utterly obsolete and I'd hope that they will not be a factor in the next review. I'd like to go one step further. The Anglo-Welsh border shouldn't be considered sacrosanct. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 11, 2023 21:08:33 GMT
Completely agree. The regional boundaries are now utterly obsolete and I'd hope that they will not be a factor in the next review. I'd like to go one step further. The Anglo-Welsh border shouldn't be considered sacrosanct. What is the welsh for cross border pitchforks? |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jul 11, 2023 21:08:50 GMT
Completely agree. The regional boundaries are now utterly obsolete and I'd hope that they will not be a factor in the next review. I'd like to go one step further. The Anglo-Welsh border shouldn't be considered sacrosanct. Lol. I remember the fate of Chester FC’s attendance (I.e. zero) when Wales had a more strict lockdown than whatever tier Cheshire West was in, but Chester’s ground is in Wales, by a few metres. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 11, 2023 21:11:38 GMT
I'd like to go one step further. The Anglo-Welsh border shouldn't be considered sacrosanct. What is the welsh for cross border pitchforks? Fforch wair traws terfyn. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 11, 2023 22:25:31 GMT
I'd like to go one step further. The Anglo-Welsh border shouldn't be considered sacrosanct. Lol. I remember the fate of Chester FC’s attendance (I.e. zero) when Wales had a more strict lockdown than whatever tier Cheshire West was in, but Chester’s ground is in Wales, by a few metres. The pitch is, the main stand, where their address/club office is, is in England (and has to be otherwise Chester would come under the Welsh FA...). |
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Post by Sg1 on Jul 11, 2023 23:37:25 GMT
Completely agree. The regional boundaries are now utterly obsolete and I'd hope that they will not be a factor in the next review. I'd like to go one step further. The Anglo-Welsh border shouldn't be considered sacrosanct. Wasn't that a Henry VIII quote? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 12, 2023 11:52:58 GMT
I'd like to go one step further. The Anglo-Welsh border shouldn't be considered sacrosanct. Wasn't that a Henry VIII quote? Edward I wasn't keen either. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 12, 2023 12:01:22 GMT
Completely agree. The regional boundaries are now utterly obsolete and I'd hope that they will not be a factor in the next review. I'd like to go one step further. The Anglo-Welsh border shouldn't be considered sacrosanct. D'ya like those pitchforks? |
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Post by nyx on Jul 12, 2023 13:04:17 GMT
I'd like to go one step further. The Anglo-Welsh border shouldn't be considered sacrosanct. Thinking about it, a Montgomeryshire and Oswestry (Sir Drefaldwyn a Croesoswallt?) would work much better than the actual map that we got, and it would be good at respecting community ties. |
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