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Post by andrewteale on Feb 5, 2021 21:30:15 GMT
Not sure if we've had this one yet, but I had a go at drawing seats which respect the Cheshire boundary and the southern boundary of Lancashire. Slightly to my surprise, I managed to get Cheshire to work after a lot of effort:  BIRKENHEAD AND WALLASEY (75320) WIRRAL CENTRAL (69819) WIRRAL WEST (76312) ELLESMERE PORT AND BROMBOROUGH (71027) As everyone else has them. CITY OF CHESTER (70992) - A compact seat based on the urban area. WEST CHESHIRE (72073) - the opposite of the above. Basically the rural areas which look to Chester, plus Neston. CREWE AND NANTWICH (69867) NORTHWICH AND WINSFORD (70542) - And here we have the problem: this includes Leighton and Crewe North wards thus splitting Crewe, but has the advantage of being fairly compact and probably not that pitchforky. MIDDLEWICH AND SANDBACH (70255) - Based on the current Congleton seat but minus Congleton town. Gains Haslington and Shakerley. MACCLESFIELD AND CONGLETON (69993) WILMSLOW (71750) - Includes Knutsford, Bollington and Poynton. NORTH CHESHIRE (71401) - The rest of Tatton joins Lymm and the eastern half of Weaver Vale. HALTON (70113) - basically as now. WARRINGTON SOUTH (71782) - swaps Lymm for Daresbury. WARRINGTON NORTH (70848) - loses Latchford East. Southern Lancashire (Preston, Ribble Valley and points southwards) was a bit easier:  WEST LANCASHIRE (73552) - unchanged. CHORLEY (74561) - loses the Euxton area. SOUTH RIBBLE (75887) - gains Euxton, Farington and Lostock Hall, loses Penwortham. PRESTON (75161) - swaps four wards in the north of the city for Penwortham. RIBBLE VALLEY (74692) - possibly the most compact Ribble Valley seat yet drawn. BLACKBURN (76323) - gains Lower Darwen. ROSSENDALE AND DARWEN (73188) - loses Lower Darwen, gains the southern half of Haslingden. HYNDBURN (75551) - gains the Whalley area. BURNLEY (75436) - gains Brierfield. PENDLE AND BOWLAND (76798) - the current Pendle seat less Brierfield plus Clitheroe and Bowland. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Feb 5, 2021 22:27:10 GMT
Having had a peruse round here, have had a play around myself, though nowhere near finished.
Just a thought - "Manchester Didsbury and Wythenshawe" is only 332 over quota - negligible, surely? Then Sale can be reunited, with the Altrincham wards, though that leaves Bowdon and Hale (perhaps they can go into Tatton/North Cheshire?)
If I do get round to anything nearly complete one thing's for sure - the Blackley name will be put out to grass (Can we see more Manchester North, please!!!) and if I do Cheshire, 'Eddisbury' and 'Weaver Vale' will be in the bin of history where they belong.
I am glad Prestwich and Middleton will be unlikely given how Bury North/South give or take a ward or two seems to fit fairly well. Swinton and Prestwich is an interesting one. It looks much nicer than P&M as it doesn't have the chunk taken out by Heaton Park, but road links aren't much better and there is a swathe of green belt in between. I can still say though that I go to Swinton more often than I do Middleton, so it is a vast improvement. But Prestwich and Radcliffe (an appropriate name if Kersal is to be added, as Bury South would be less than ideal if that was the case, and Higher Kersal/Broughton Park leans to Prestwich strongly) is still the best option.
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Post by Andrew_S on Feb 7, 2021 6:54:33 GMT
Wont bother posting the map atm but these are the new constituency names Ive come up with.
Kendal & Penrith
Wallasey & Hoylake
Wirral Central & Neston
Ellesmere Port & Bromborough
Denton & Reddish North
Stockport & Reddish South
Salford & Old Trafford
Altrincham & Woolston
Winsford & Sandbach
Tatton & Lymm
Macclesfield & Congleton
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Post by Foggy on Feb 7, 2021 9:04:02 GMT
Wont bother posting the map atm but these are the new constituency names Ive come up with. Kendal & Penrith Wallasey & Hoylake Wirral Central & Neston Ellesmere Port & Bromborough Denton & Reddish North Stockport & Reddish South Salford & Old Trafford Altrincham & Woolston Winsford & Sandbach Tatton & Lymm Macclesfield & Congleton Your Cumbria must be quite different from even my revised version (as well as my original attempt that I posted upthread)! I suspect those two seats on the Wirral are similar to mine, but I've chosen to call them simply 'Wallasey' and 'Neston'. I've split Denton rather than Reddish and have also ended up with a Macclesfield & Congleton constituency (which is effectively the successor to the current Macclesfield). |
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Post by owainsutton on Feb 7, 2021 11:56:16 GMT
Wont bother posting the map atm but these are the new constituency names Ive come up with. Kendal & Penrith Wallasey & Hoylake Wirral Central & Neston Ellesmere Port & Bromborough Denton & Reddish North Stockport & Reddish South Salford & Old Trafford Altrincham & Woolston Winsford & Sandbach Tatton & Lymm Macclesfield & Congleton Well, I live in Altrincham but had to look up where Woolston is... |
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Post by owainsutton on Feb 7, 2021 11:58:12 GMT
Having had a peruse round here, have had a play around myself, though nowhere near finished. Just a thought - "Manchester Didsbury and Wythenshawe" is only 332 over quota - negligible, surely? Then Sale can be reunited, with the Altrincham wards, though that leaves Bowdon and Hale (perhaps they can go into Tatton/North Cheshire?) Going to point out once again that Bowdon + Hale Central bisect Altrincham right through the centre, just as much as the current constituency boundary bisects Sale. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 16:50:37 GMT
 This is how I found to connect Altrincham with Woolston to keep it in quota, not sure if this was the plan is. |
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Post by bjornhattan on Feb 7, 2021 17:22:33 GMT
This is how I found to connect Altrincham with Woolston to keep it in quota, not sure if this was the plan is. Considering one of the other seats in the plan was "Tatton and Lymm", that won't be it. Bowdon ward does (just) touch Rixton and Woolston, or Cadishead/Bucklow St Martin could be included too - I don't know. |
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Post by owainsutton on Feb 7, 2021 17:23:10 GMT
This is how I found to connect Altrincham with Woolston to keep it in quota, not sure if this was the plan is. Not as crazy as some suggestions in this thread! Maybe just go with "Dunham Massey" as the name? It'd keep most of the snobs happy. |
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Post by Adrian on Mar 11, 2021 1:40:47 GMT
The North West works out as: Cumbria 5.31 Lancashire 15.18 including Blackburrn and Blackpool Lanc Merseyside 10.97 Cheshire and Wirral 14.60 Greater Manchester 27.24 These figures add up to 73.30 - where does the error lie? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 11, 2021 6:53:08 GMT
These figures add up to 73.30 - where does the error lie? The quota for the region is 73.32 - the discrepancy will be due to rounding. I've replied to your similar question on the South West thread but the point is that the quota for a region is not likely to be a whole number |
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Post by Adrian on Mar 19, 2021 13:22:51 GMT
Here's my splitwardless North North West plan (37 seats) ukelect.wordpress.com/2021/03/19/2023-review-lancashire-cumbria/I certainly think it's livewithable. One of my priorities would be to unsplit Atherton, but the current Bolton West is conveniently the right size. I'd also prefer to have two Bury seats wholly in Bury. And Ribble Valley district is the right size for a constituency so it's a shame to split it between three seats. |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 19, 2021 13:24:26 GMT
I certainly think it's livewithableIs that actually a word?  |
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Post by Adrian on Mar 19, 2021 13:39:42 GMT
I certainly think it's livewithableIs that actually a word? What if it isn't? |
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 19, 2021 14:06:26 GMT
I certainly think it's livewithableIs that actually a word? It's perfectly cromulent. |
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Post by Adrian on Mar 19, 2021 14:49:31 GMT
North West region completed now. ukelect.wordpress.com/tag/north-west/Split wards: Hoylake & Meols, Hartford & Greenbank, Davenham Moulton & Kingsmead, Tuebrook & Stoneycroft, Prescot South, Miles Platting & Newton Heath, West Didsbury. |
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Post by islington on Mar 19, 2021 17:12:31 GMT
Like andrewteale a little way upthread, I wondered whether I could get 15 seats into the Cheshires/Wirral/Halton/Warrington.  Well, yes. But it's ugly. I've avoided the bite that Andrew took out of Crewe and some of the seats are actually not that bad, but the booby prize surely goes to the Northwich seat that also incorporates left-over bits of Runcorn and extends into three UAs (and incidentally comes in at 69727, exceeding the minimum by 3).
Also, at no extra charge, I've thrown in a 5-seat Manchester with no ward splits.
All in all, this exercise tends to confirm me in the view that the Cheshires should be linked with Wirral for 11 seats, with Widnes and Warrington treated with the areas to their north. (And Manchester integrated into the Gtr Manchester scheme and not treated separately.)
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Post by andrewteale on Mar 19, 2021 18:58:09 GMT
There's also no crossing of the Mersey to justify throwing Penketh and Cuerdley into that Northwich North seat.
I agree with your conclusions. I'm prepared to defend my plan for no seats crossing the Lancashire/GM or Lancashire/Merseyside boundary as I think that scheme works well on its own terms, but I'm not prepared to defend my plan for the Cheshires/Wirral/Halton/Warrington above.
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Post by islington on Mar 20, 2021 11:42:45 GMT
The plan I posted yesterday for a 15-seat Cheshire &c, and 5 seat Manchester, was just a bit of fun but I'm in more earnest about the scheme below. I don't think anyone's posted this exact arrangement (apologies if someone has) but it's an attempt to achieve a satisfactory 'bridge' spanning the area between an 11-seat plan for the Cheshires + Wirral and a 20-seat arrangement for Lancs, Cumbria, &c with Skelmersdale squeezed out (i.e. the basic grouping suggested by YL some way upthread).  The obvious drawback to this scheme is the placing of Sutton ward, which sticks out like a painfully dislocated thumb. Also, there is no seat wholly in St Helens (or in Halton). But on the other hand, compared with my previous plan in this area this scheme gives us a seat wholly within Knowsley and it avoids having Rainhill as an orphan ward, so I think on balance I prefer it.
St Helens North and Skelmersdale - 71366. St Helens South and Prescot - 76827. Huyton and Halewood - 70126. I think others have had this before; a very tidy-looking seat. Newton-le-Willows - 71982. Or plain old 'Newton', which was deemed adequate when it was used as a constituency name historically. It's clearly a 'left-over' seat but it's reasonably compact (Sutton aside) and the area covered is not dissimilar to (but smaller than) the old Newton seat, which existed until 1983.
Warrington - 70557. Widnes - 72406. Runcorn - 75722.
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Post by bsjmcr on Mar 20, 2021 16:54:53 GMT
There's also no crossing of the Mersey to justify throwing Penketh and Cuerdley into that Northwich North seat. I agree with your conclusions. I'm prepared to defend my plan for no seats crossing the Lancashire/GM or Lancashire/Merseyside boundary as I think that scheme works well on its own terms, but I'm not prepared to defend my plan for the Cheshires/Wirral/Halton/Warrington above. I've only just realised - is the reason for the Northwich seat being called 'Weaver Vale' due to possible confusion with Norwich? Personally I'd prefer Mid Cheshire but there we are. |
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