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Post by evergreenadam on Nov 8, 2022 2:45:55 GMT
Now that it's up...
Hull and East Yorkshire looks a lot tidier. North Yorkshire has a minor tweek at Harrogate.
There's a lot of low-level tweeks in West Yorkshire, I don't know enough of the ground detail to know what effects this has. Rotherham adds a bit over the M1 Sheffield is unchanged - keeping a line slicing through a school and a dozen houses which I pointed out could easily be changed.
I think my comment will be: everything's fine except move that **** polling district boundary at Intake.
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Post by YL on Nov 8, 2022 6:38:15 GMT
Now that it's up... Hull and East Yorkshire looks a lot tidier. North Yorkshire has a minor tweek at Harrogate.
There's a lot of low-level tweeks in West Yorkshire, I don't know enough of the ground detail to know what effects this has. Rotherham adds a bit over the M1 Sheffield is unchanged - keeping a line slicing through a school and a dozen houses which I pointed out could easily be changed. I think my comment will be: everything's fine except move that **** polling district boundary at Intake. Which ward in Sheffield is the polling district in? Richmond. |
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Post by edgbaston on Nov 8, 2022 9:57:17 GMT
Those arrangements in Kirklees are absolutely perfect for the Tories, may not help at the next election if polls are accurate but in an average year they should have 3 seats in the borough easily, on the other side Labour gain an ultra safe seat (probably in the top 20 in the country) in Dewsbury and Batley, very plum seat there for a lucky candidate.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 8, 2022 9:59:55 GMT
Packed gerrymanders are the best. We need that in Oldham too
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Post by islington on Nov 8, 2022 16:36:47 GMT
This is not really my part of the world so feel free to shoot me down (not that you need my permission): although the boundaries don't look too bad I cannot but agree with criticisms of the names in Leeds. The 'Headingley' seat not only is completely surrounded by seats with 'Leeds' in the name; it also includes most of the city centre.
Would it be totally out of the question for 'Headingley' to be called 'Leeds Central'? The proposed seat currently bearing that name looks to my cockney eye much more like 'Leeds South'.
If that's too confusing then I suggest either 'Leeds North' or 'Leeds Headingley' for the 'Headingley' seat.
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Post by kvasir on Nov 8, 2022 16:50:18 GMT
No to Leeds Central. It goes up to Tinshall. No to Leeds North. There is already a Leeds North East and a Leeds North West. Leeds Headingley is okay. Headingley itself is actually not the worst named seat. Headingley use to be a district encompassing Burley, Hyde Park, Kirkstall, Far Headingley, Weetwood etc. Which is where I presume the Boundary Commission got it.
Basically there is a ridge between the River Aire and the Meanwood Beck and Headingley was built at the top of the ridge next to the oak tree that served as the meeting place for the Skyrack Wapentake. Skyrack is a bastardisation of the old English sacred oak, or shiny oak. Some people think that the tradition goes back even further than the Anglo-Saxsons who co-opted it.
But this whole area was connected to Headingley, so it is not that unreasonable.
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Post by islington on Nov 8, 2022 16:53:16 GMT
No to Leeds Central. It goes up to Tinshall. No to Leeds North. There is already a Leeds North East and a Leeds North West. Leeds Headingley is okay. Headingley itself is actually not the worst named seat. Headingley use to be a district encompassing Burley, Hyde Park, Kirkstall, Far Headingley, Weetwood etc. Which is where I presume the Boundary Commission got it. Basically there is a ridge between the River Aire and the Meanwood Beck and Headingley was built at the top of the ridge next to the oak tree that served as the meeting place for the Skyrack Wapentake. Skyrack is a bastardisation of the old English sacred oak, or shiny oak. Some people think that the tradition goes back even further than the Anglo-Saxsons who co-opted it. But this whole area was connected to Headingley, so it is not that unreasonable. Was the original tree in the proposed seat? I ask because 'Leeds Skyrack' would be irresistible as a name. But I still think the seat directly south of this area is much more 'Leeds South' than 'Leeds Central'. It's wholly on the southern side of Leeds and apart from the railway station, near its northern border, it doesn't include the Headrow, the Town Hall, the Cathedral or anything I'd think of as symbolizing central Leeds; and in what sense is Middleton part of central Leeds? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 16:56:27 GMT
No to Leeds Central. It goes up to Tinshall. No to Leeds North. There is already a Leeds North East and a Leeds North West. Leeds Headingley is okay. Headingley itself is actually not the worst named seat. Headingley use to be a district encompassing Burley, Hyde Park, Kirkstall, Far Headingley, Weetwood etc. Which is where I presume the Boundary Commission got it. Basically there is a ridge between the River Aire and the Meanwood Beck and Headingley was built at the top of the ridge next to the oak tree that served as the meeting place for the Skyrack Wapentake. Skyrack is a bastardisation of the old English sacred oak, or shiny oak. Some people think that the tradition goes back even further than the Anglo-Saxsons who co-opted it. But this whole area was connected to Headingley, so it is not that unreasonable. Was the original tree in the proposed seat? I ask because 'Leeds Skyrack' would be irresistible as a name. I'd write that recommendation now if it's accurate! |
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Post by kvasir on Nov 8, 2022 16:57:15 GMT
No to Leeds Central. It goes up to Tinshall. No to Leeds North. There is already a Leeds North East and a Leeds North West. Leeds Headingley is okay. Headingley itself is actually not the worst named seat. Headingley use to be a district encompassing Burley, Hyde Park, Kirkstall, Far Headingley, Weetwood etc. Which is where I presume the Boundary Commission got it. Basically there is a ridge between the River Aire and the Meanwood Beck and Headingley was built at the top of the ridge next to the oak tree that served as the meeting place for the Skyrack Wapentake. Skyrack is a bastardisation of the old English sacred oak, or shiny oak. Some people think that the tradition goes back even further than the Anglo-Saxsons who co-opted it. But this whole area was connected to Headingley, so it is not that unreasonable. Was the original tree in the proposed seat? I ask because 'Leeds Skyrack' would be irresistible as a name. The original oak tree is now gone, a new one was planted but it is just a small thing. But yes, right in the centre of Headingley This is a picture close to when the tree finally died. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Headingley%2C_Yorkshire_St_Michael%27s_Church_and_the_Shire_Oak%2C_1897_%2814286343497%29_%28cropped_to_show_stump%29.jpg |
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Post by kvasir on Nov 8, 2022 17:05:30 GMT
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Nov 8, 2022 17:24:22 GMT
Leeds Skyrack would be an excellent name, but if you're doing that then I think you have to go the whole hog and do it for all the Leeds seats. Central can become Leeds Hunslet, North West can be Leeds Wharfedale, North East can be Leeds Meanwood and the only reason not to rename East Leeds Garforth is that you could call it Leeds Penda's Fields.
Obviously, for the full pitchfork-bait effect you also need to rename Pudsey Leeds Pudsey and Morley Leeds Morley. To make up for the loss of compass point names here, Sutton Coldfield becomes Birmingham North.
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Post by YL on Nov 8, 2022 17:58:00 GMT
Was the original tree in the proposed seat? I ask because 'Leeds Skyrack' would be irresistible as a name. But I still think the seat directly south of this area is much more 'Leeds South' than 'Leeds Central'. It's wholly on the southern side of Leeds and apart from the railway station, near its northern border, it doesn't include the Headrow, the Town Hall, the Cathedral or anything I'd think of as symbolizing central Leeds; and in what sense is Middleton part of central Leeds? ... or indeed bits of Temple Newsam? I was going to propose Leeds Headingley and Leeds South, though I won't dispute the appeal of Leeds Skyrack. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Nov 8, 2022 17:59:13 GMT
Leeds Skyrack would be an excellent name, but if you're doing that then I think you have to go the whole hog and do it for all the Leeds seats. Central can become Leeds Hunslet, North West can be Leeds Wharfedale, North East can be Leeds Meanwood and the only reason not to rename East Leeds Garforth is that you could call it Leeds Penda's Fields. Obviously, for the full pitchfork-bait effect you also need to rename Pudsey Leeds Pudsey and Morley Leeds Morley. To make up for the loss of compass point names here, Sutton Coldfield becomes Birmingham North. but Brum constituencies have always been named for wards! Birmingham Vesey it is. |
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Post by ArmchairCritic on Nov 8, 2022 18:11:07 GMT
Another bit of confusing nomenclature: "Wakefield West & Denby Dale" does not contain the ward of Wakefield West. Yes....I'm not overly enamoured with it but it has probably been done to pacify people in Horbury. I much preferred Ossett & Denby Dale, apart from in being more snappy. I always thought that Morley and Outwood should have been Wakefield North & Morley....but hey, whatever. What I am glad about is that Labour's absurd proposal of splitting Ossett in half with the main town going in to Dewsbury whilst South Ossett (EG; Horbury & S.Ossett) going in with Almondbury in Huddersfield. Not because it made any sense but because it suited Labour. Of course we all know that these things happen and we know why but there is always a risk that the BC will do it |
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Post by iainbhx on Nov 8, 2022 18:15:40 GMT
Leeds Skyrack would be an excellent name, but if you're doing that then I think you have to go the whole hog and do it for all the Leeds seats. Central can become Leeds Hunslet, North West can be Leeds Wharfedale, North East can be Leeds Meanwood and the only reason not to rename East Leeds Garforth is that you could call it Leeds Penda's Fields. Obviously, for the full pitchfork-bait effect you also need to rename Pudsey Leeds Pudsey and Morley Leeds Morley. To make up for the loss of compass point names here, Sutton Coldfield becomes Birmingham North. They'd insist on Royal Birmingham North. Then they'd track you down and kill you. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Nov 8, 2022 20:20:28 GMT
People outside Leeds know Headingly is in Leeds, no needs to a superfluous Leeds to the name.
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Post by ricmk on Nov 9, 2022 1:25:57 GMT
People outside Leeds know Headingly is in Leeds, no needs to a superfluous Leeds to the name. Ask people where Leeds Castle is.... |
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Post by YL on Nov 10, 2022 19:38:57 GMT
Another bit of confusing nomenclature: "Wakefield West & Denby Dale" does not contain the ward of Wakefield West. Yes....I'm not overly enamoured with it but it has probably been done to pacify people in Horbury. I much preferred Ossett & Denby Dale, apart from in being more snappy. I always thought that Morley and Outwood should have been Wakefield North & Morley....but hey, whatever. Looking at the comments I think it was more to do with Wakefield South and Wakefield Rural than Horbury. To be honest it is a bit of a leftovers seat and those are often not easy to come up with good names for, though I'm not sure that it's any worse for Wakefield South to be in a constituency called "Ossett & Denby Dale" than one called "Hemsworth" as it is now. It came from their attempts to manage the knock-on effects of moving Rastrick into Huddersfield. That meant that something else had to come out of Huddersfield; their choice was Almondbury, which to be fair is the most peripheral of the plausible options, to go into the Denby Dale etc. seat, and that meant something had to come out of that seat at the other end. They could have avoided splitting Ossett by splitting Horbury & South Ossett ward so that Horbury went with Denby Dale and all Ossett with Dewsbury. But I think that Rastrick into Huddersfield was a bad idea, partly because of those knock-on effects, and the BCE haven't gone for it. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Nov 10, 2022 21:29:30 GMT
No to Leeds Central. It goes up to Tinshall. No to Leeds North. There is already a Leeds North East and a Leeds North West. Leeds Headingley is okay. Headingley itself is actually not the worst named seat. Headingley use to be a district encompassing Burley, Hyde Park, Kirkstall, Far Headingley, Weetwood etc. Which is where I presume the Boundary Commission got it. Basically there is a ridge between the River Aire and the Meanwood Beck and Headingley was built at the top of the ridge next to the oak tree that served as the meeting place for the Skyrack Wapentake. Skyrack is a bastardisation of the old English sacred oak, or shiny oak. Some people think that the tradition goes back even further than the Anglo-Saxsons who co-opted it. But this whole area was connected to Headingley, so it is not that unreasonable. Was the original tree in the proposed seat? I ask because 'Leeds Skyrack' would be irresistible as a name. But I still think the seat directly south of this area is much more 'Leeds South' than 'Leeds Central'. It's wholly on the southern side of Leeds and apart from the railway station, near its northern border, it doesn't include the Headrow, the Town Hall, the Cathedral or anything I'd think of as symbolizing central Leeds; and in what sense is Middleton part of central Leeds? Leeds Mid and it’s a done deal. I don’t see a problem with ‘Leeds Headingley’. Sheffield has a hybrid of compass names and wards (Soutn East, and Hallam, etc) so no reason why Leeds could do the same. Removing the Leeds name gives the illusion that the city is declining in population and is particularly absurd as you say with it being 100% Leeds wards. I’d also go so far to suggest Morley be Leeds South West. And yes, Headlingley is well known itself, but then why not just do ‘Edgbaston’ then and drop the Birmingham? Old Trafford is more concise (and well known) than Stretford & Urmston. Where would you draw the line? I’m surprised the new Wakefield hasn’t become ‘Wakefield and Rothwell’. It may just be one ward but it’s a big one and one that has featured in a constituency name for some time. I know very little about Rothwell though and how attached it is to Leeds vs Wakefield though. And don’t forget Osset/Wakefield West and Denby Dale could easily have been ‘Mid Yorkshire’… |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2022 21:42:12 GMT
That's definitely an attitude within the Commission of "we have precedents, and if you don't like them, we have others!"
Looking at a map, there could be three neighbouring constituencies of Morley, Pudsey, and Headingley. This looks like a pattern or precedent where "Leeds" is no longer required as a prefix.
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