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Post by jm on Jun 28, 2023 10:50:14 GMT
There are quite a few expanded constituency names
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 28, 2023 10:52:33 GMT
Very few seats changes in most of england - I'm glad I'm not going to have to redo many notional results.
Blackley & Middleton South is a thing I'm sure we could all do without..
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Post by jm on Jun 28, 2023 10:59:46 GMT
Some I have spotted so far
Grantham -> Grantham and Bourne
Harborough - Harborough, Oadby and Wigston
Wellingborough -> Wellingborough and Rushden
Bury St Edmunds -> Bury St Edmunds and Stowmarket
East Cambridgeshire -> Ely and East Cambridgeshire
Saffron Walden -> North West Essex
Southend Central and Leigh -> Southend West and Leigh
Gateshead and Whickham -> Gateshead Central and Whickham
Jarrow -> Jarrow and Gateshead East
Washington -> Washington and Gateshead South
Heywood -> Heywood and Middleton North
Oldham West and Royton -> Oldham West, Chadderton and Royton
Taunton -> Taunton and Wellington
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 28, 2023 11:04:28 GMT
Some I have spotted so far Grantham -> Grantham and Bourne Harborough - Harborough, Oadby and Wigston Wellingborough -> Wellingborough and Rushden Bury St Edmunds -> Bury St Edmunds and Stowmarket East Cambridgeshire -> Ely and East Cambridgeshire Saffron Walden -> North West Essex Southend Central and Leigh -> Southend West and Leigh Gateshead and Whickham -> Gateshead Central and Whickham Jarrow -> Jarrow and Gateshead East Washington -> Washington and Gateshead South Heywood -> Heywood and Middleton North Oldham West and Royton -> Oldham West, Chadderton and Royton Taunton -> Taunton and Wellington Most of which are totally unnecessary. |
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Post by Wisconsin on Jun 28, 2023 11:24:12 GMT
All the English constituencies with changes (names or boundaries) since the last proposals are flagged in the rightmost column here. |
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Post by greenhert on Jun 28, 2023 11:26:14 GMT
Some I have spotted so far Grantham -> Grantham and Bourne Harborough - Harborough, Oadby and Wigston Wellingborough -> Wellingborough and Rushden Bury St Edmunds -> Bury St Edmunds and Stowmarket East Cambridgeshire -> Ely and East CambridgeshireSaffron Walden -> North West Essex Southend Central and Leigh -> Southend West and Leigh Gateshead and Whickham -> Gateshead Central and Whickham Jarrow -> Jarrow and Gateshead East Washington -> Washington and Gateshead South Heywood -> Heywood and Middleton North Oldham West and Royton -> Oldham West, Chadderton and Royton Taunton -> Taunton and Wellington At long last, Ely is recognised in a constituency name again. Thank goodness I wrote to the BCE about this unfairness (every other English city, even Wells, was included in the constituency name or was the constituency name). |
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Post by ricmk on Jun 28, 2023 12:10:35 GMT
Looks like the parties were absolutely right to get selecting on the revised proposals. I can't see any seat changes so far where the changes are big enough to change the political dynamics of the seats, or how contested they'd be by the various parties. Southend perhaps, and possibly Wimbledon?
But those name changes. We got 1 of the 2 changes we wanted in MK (Milton Keynes Central and we really didn't want Central Milton Keynes which is the specific district) but Buckingham and Bletchley stays - that name won't survive the next review as MK grows and Buckingham doesn't.
But overall, what were they thinking with all these name additions? A few of them make sense, but not a lot. And a couple where the case is much stronger e.g. the cross-border Beds/Herts constituency is still just "Hitchin" where they haven't expanded the name, where they should have.
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Post by nyx on Jun 28, 2023 12:37:41 GMT
But overall, what were they thinking with all these name additions? A few of them make sense, but not a lot. And a couple where the case is much stronger e.g. the cross-border Beds/Herts constituency is still just "Hitchen" where they haven't expanded the name, where they should have. In fairness, those areas of Beds have Hitchen as their nearest major town, and Hitchin is central in the new constituency. I think that name is fine. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 28, 2023 12:40:10 GMT
Some I have spotted so far Grantham -> Grantham and Bourne Harborough - Harborough, Oadby and Wigston Wellingborough -> Wellingborough and Rushden Bury St Edmunds -> Bury St Edmunds and Stowmarket East Cambridgeshire -> Ely and East CambridgeshireSaffron Walden -> North West Essex Southend Central and Leigh -> Southend West and Leigh Gateshead and Whickham -> Gateshead Central and Whickham Jarrow -> Jarrow and Gateshead East Washington -> Washington and Gateshead South Heywood -> Heywood and Middleton North Oldham West and Royton -> Oldham West, Chadderton and Royton Taunton -> Taunton and Wellington At long last, Ely is recognised in a constituency name again. Thank goodness I wrote to the BCE about this unfairness (every other English city, even Wells, was included in the constituency name or was the constituency name). I'm almost impressed by how many bad opinions you have. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 28, 2023 12:57:35 GMT
I move we start referring to the "Boundary and constituency renaming Commissions" and see how they like it.
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Post by ilerda on Jun 28, 2023 12:59:27 GMT
I can't help but feel the absurdly long and complex names are at least partly because of the imposition of an overly restrictive quota. There are a number of areas (such as Solihull) where a slightly more flexible quota would allow for a more sensible pattern of constituencies that wouldn't invoke the wrath of residents who feel a short name doesn't reflect where they live.
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Post by islington on Jun 28, 2023 13:10:12 GMT
I can't help but feel the absurdly long and complex names are at least partly because of the imposition of an overly restrictive quota. There are a number of areas (such as Solihull) where a slightly more flexible quota would allow for a more sensible pattern of constituencies that wouldn't invoke the wrath of residents who feel a short name doesn't reflect where they live. I am revolting.
(insert obvious joke here)
As if we hadn't already got enough 'This and That' names, we're now expanding to 'This, That and the Other'. Enough already. I'm going to start referring to constituencies by the first meaningful part of the name only, and I'll ignore the gazetteer of obscure local placenames tacked on the end.
The saving in pixels will be enormous.
NB: As exceptions to the general rule, one or two long-established and sensible 'This and That' names will be suffered to continue. 'Orkney and Shetland', 'Thirsk and Malton' and probably one or two others.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 28, 2023 13:25:20 GMT
I move we start referring to the "Boundary and constituency renaming Commissions" and see how they like it. Add an extra element with each phase of consultation. |
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Post by jm on Jun 28, 2023 13:35:46 GMT
"Doncaster East and Axholme" has been renamed "Doncaster East and the Isle of Axholme"
Another pointless change that unnecessarily makes the name of the constituency longer than it needs to be.
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 28, 2023 13:38:01 GMT
I can't help but feel the absurdly long and complex names are at least partly because of the imposition of an overly restrictive quota. There are a number of areas (such as Solihull) where a slightly more flexible quota would allow for a more sensible pattern of constituencies that wouldn't invoke the wrath of residents who feel a short name doesn't reflect where they live. I am revolting.
(insert obvious joke here)
As if we hadn't already got enough 'This and That' names, we're now expanding to 'This, That and the Other'. Enough already. I'm going to start referring to constituencies by the first meaningful part of the name only, and I'll ignore the gazetteer of obscure local placenames tacked on the end.
The saving in pixels will be enormous.
NB: As exceptions to the general rule, one or two long-established and sensible 'This and That' names will be suffered to continue. 'Orkney and Shetland', 'Thirsk and Malton' and probably one or two others.
Don't tempt them or they'll propose re-naming Orkney and Shetland to (deep breath...)
Auskerry, Calf of Eday, Damsay, Eday, Egilsay, Eynhallow, Faray, Gairsay, Helliar Holm, Holm of Faray, Holm of Huip, Holm of Papay, Holm of Scockness, Kili Holm, Linga Holm, Muckle Green Holm, North Ronaldsay, Papa Stronsay, Papa Westray, Rousay, Rusk Holm, Sanday, Shapinsay, Stronsay, Sweyn Holm, Westray ,Wyre and Balta, Bigga, Bressay, Brother Isle, Bruray, East Burra, Fair Isle, Fetlar, Foula, Hascosay, Hildasay, Housay, Lamba, Linga, Mainland, Mousa, Muckle Roe, Isle of Noss, Oxna, Papa, Papa Little, Papa Stour, Samphrey, South Havra, Trondra, Unst, Uyea (1), Uyea (2), Vaila, Vementry, West Burra, West Linga, Whalsay & Yell.
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2023 13:44:34 GMT
I can't help but feel the absurdly long and complex names are at least partly because of the imposition of an overly restrictive quota. There are a number of areas (such as Solihull) where a slightly more flexible quota would allow for a more sensible pattern of constituencies that wouldn't invoke the wrath of residents who feel a short name doesn't reflect where they live. I am revolting.
(insert obvious joke here)
As if we hadn't already got enough 'This and That' names, we're now expanding to 'This, That and the Other'. Enough already. I'm going to start referring to constituencies by the first meaningful part of the name only, and I'll ignore the gazetteer of obscure local placenames tacked on the end.
The saving in pixels will be enormous.
NB: As exceptions to the general rule, one or two long-established and sensible 'This and That' names will be suffered to continue. 'Orkney and Shetland', 'Thirsk and Malton' and probably one or two others.
When I find access to a straight list of all the constituencies, I intend to start a thread along the lines of 'Forum Preferred Correct and Short-form Constituency names'. I will post them in batches starting from the top. I would like to do it from Shetland to St Ives if such a list exists? |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2023 13:59:35 GMT
I am revolting.
(insert obvious joke here)
As if we hadn't already got enough 'This and That' names, we're now expanding to 'This, That and the Other'. Enough already. I'm going to start referring to constituencies by the first meaningful part of the name only, and I'll ignore the gazetteer of obscure local placenames tacked on the end.
The saving in pixels will be enormous.
NB: As exceptions to the general rule, one or two long-established and sensible 'This and That' names will be suffered to continue. 'Orkney and Shetland', 'Thirsk and Malton' and probably one or two others.
Don't tempt them or they'll propose re-naming Orkney and Shetland to (deep breath...)
Auskerry, Calf of Eday, Damsay, Eday, Egilsay, Eynhallow, Faray, Gairsay, Helliar Holm, Holm of Faray, Holm of Huip, Holm of Papay, Holm of Scockness, Kili Holm, Linga Holm, Muckle Green Holm, North Ronaldsay, Papa Stronsay, Papa Westray, Rousay, Rusk Holm, Sanday, Shapinsay, Stronsay, Sweyn Holm, Westray ,Wyre and Balta, Bigga, Bressay, Brother Isle, Bruray, East Burra, Fair Isle, Fetlar, Foula, Hascosay, Hildasay, Housay, Lamba, Linga, Mainland, Mousa, Muckle Roe, Isle of Noss, Oxna, Papa, Papa Little, Papa Stour, Samphrey, South Havra, Trondra, Unst, Uyea (1), Uyea (2), Vaila, Vementry, West Burra, West Linga, Whalsay & Yell.
Oh! Don't they just trip off the tongue and warm the heart. I love that Yell is a tack-on to Whalsay and the minute Uyea is in twice. Magic. |
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Post by ilerda on Jun 28, 2023 14:01:14 GMT
Interestingly on their election night coverage I noticed that Sky News did a lot of abbreviations or shortenings of constituency names when displaying their battleground boards. I suggest we all just adopt them and refuse to use the 'official' names.
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Post by greenhert on Jun 28, 2023 15:19:18 GMT
Did the BCE take a leaf out of the Canadian Boundary Commissions' books? Canadian ridings are known for having excessively long names like "Leeds-Grenville-Thousand Lakes"
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Post by ClevelandYorks on Jun 28, 2023 15:29:27 GMT
In recent years the Boundary Commission has proven itself to be irredeemably incompetent. I’ve began to think it should be abolished and it’s functions handed over to a joint committee of Parliament.
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