J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 23, 2023 7:47:03 GMT
...or, how the NationalRat-candidates answered questionnaires (though the picture is misleading, as they labelled the opPosition to "Konservativ" with "Liberal" instead of "Progressiv"): Well, "progressive" and "liberal" mean two different things, and completely different things to what American self-identified "progressives" and "liberals" actually are. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 23, 2023 7:52:15 GMT
...or, how the NationalRat-candidates answered questionnaires (though the picture is misleading, as they labelled the opPosition to "Konservativ" with "Liberal" instead of "Progressiv"): Well, "progressive" and "liberal" mean two different things, and completely different things to what American self-identified "progressives" and "liberals" actually are. I wouldn’t say that the American and European versions of Progressivism are different (Fast and Progressive decline of society), but the American and British (false) versions of Liberalism are different to the actual one. |
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 24, 2023 2:45:07 GMT
Seems to me like the SVP ate into their vote in the French speaking Cantons. (But I’m not an expert on Swiss politics to say the least) We do unfortunately not have maps of turnOut(change). My guess is, that the vast bulk of SVP-gains comes from increased participation on the land, where it had imploded last time (when farmers&families were not so excited by climateChance causing misHarvests). And that it was mainly direct moves from FDP to TheMid, which were small, but decisive. The pollsters recorded these, at least immediately after the CS-debacle. 2 exitPolls have been (partly) released, with contradictory numbers to whom FDP lost more, SVP or TheMid (but affecting only few thousand votes): - Leewas:  - Sotomo:  |
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Post by islington on Oct 24, 2023 6:50:13 GMT
We do unfortunately not have maps of turnOut(change). My guess is, that the vast bulk of SVP-gains comes from increased participation on the land, where it had imploded last time (when farmers&families were not so excited by climateChance causing misHarvests). And that it was mainly direct moves from FDP to TheMid, which were small, but decisive. The pollsters recorded these, at least immediately after the CS-debacle. 2 exitPolls have been (partly) released, with contradictory numbers to whom FDP lost more, SVP or TheMid (but affecting only few thousand votes): - Leewas: - Sotomo: I sometimes wonder when I read these posts whether the Swiss are as much baffled by British politics as I am by theirs. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 24, 2023 9:33:58 GMT
Swiss politics isn't that complicated. You need to just know a few things.
- Parties don't operate on language divides. The closest is the Lega Ticino, who don't like Italians.
- The government always wins.
- It is the only democratically-elected totalitarian state.
- The Swiss practice an odd form of libertarianism. There could never be secret police in Switzerland, because everyone is a policeman.
- Nobody likes Zürich.
- Everyone thinks Vaud is full of crooks.
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Post by rcronald on Oct 24, 2023 13:24:47 GMT
Swiss politics isn't that complicated. You need to just know a few things. - Parties don't operate on language divides. The closest is the Lega Ticino, who don't like Italians. - The government always wins. - It is the only democratically-elected totalitarian state. - The Swiss practice an odd form of libertarianism. There could never be secret police in Switzerland, because everyone is a policeman. - Nobody likes Zürich. - Everyone thinks Vaud is full of crooks. Of course Vaud is full of crooks, it’s French after all! |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 24, 2023 13:26:14 GMT
Swiss politics isn't that complicated. You need to just know a few things. - Parties don't operate on language divides. The closest is the Lega Ticino, who don't like Italians. - The government always wins. - It is the only democratically-elected totalitarian state. - The Swiss practice an odd form of libertarianism. There could never be secret police in Switzerland, because everyone is a policeman. - Nobody likes Zürich. - Everyone thinks Vaud is full of crooks. Of course Vaud is full of crooks, it’s French after all! Even the other French cantons think it's dodgy! |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 24, 2023 13:31:48 GMT
Of course Vaud is full of crooks, it’s French after all! Even the other French cantons think it's dodgy! 😟😧 |
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 24, 2023 17:45:43 GMT
The government always wins. - It is the only democratically-elected totalitarian state. - The Swiss practice an odd form of libertarianism. There could never be secret police in Switzerland, because everyone is a policeman. "Eidgenossen sind Neidgenossen" ("OathComrades are EnvyComrades")... |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 24, 2023 17:51:02 GMT
The government always wins. - It is the only democratically-elected totalitarian state. - The Swiss practice an odd form of libertarianism. There could never be secret police in Switzerland, because everyone is a policeman. "Eidgenossen sind Neidgenossen" ("OathComrades are EnvyComrades")... I saw a joke recently about Switzerland annexing Germany and renaming it Canton Tüütschino. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 24, 2023 17:53:11 GMT
The government always wins. - It is the only democratically-elected totalitarian state. - The Swiss practice an odd form of libertarianism. There could never be secret police in Switzerland, because everyone is a policeman. "Eidgenossen sind Neidgenossen" ("OathComrades are EnvyComrades")... Or as Leopold II of Belgiun said once (naturally in French): "Small country, small people." (albeit that's not entirely fair to the nation, which was able to generate a ROUSSEAU or BURCKHARDT). |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 24, 2023 17:58:03 GMT
"Eidgenossen sind Neidgenossen" ("OathComrades are EnvyComrades")... Or as Leopold II of Belgiun said once (naturally in French): "Small country, small people." (albeit that's not entirely fair to the nation, which was able to generate a ROUSSEAU or BURCKHARDT). For those who have any French (it doesn't need much), this is quite an amusing mockery of the French Swiss accent (and the Belgians and Québécois). |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 24, 2023 21:48:57 GMT
Senate ("StändeRat"), updated version (13/46 seats are to be filled in November):   In NeuChatel/NE FDP/PLR lost its inCumbent as it had not formed a joint list with SVP/UDC there (together with Jura/JU they elect their Senators proportionally). |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 26, 2023 2:28:39 GMT
Something unbelievable happened - a huge scandal: not only my country's SPÖ is inable to calculate, but also the Swiss (!) Statistical Office:  So FDP ended ahead of TheMid. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 26, 2023 3:23:28 GMT
Something unbelievable happened - a huge scandal: not only my country's SPÖ is inable to calculate, but also the Swiss (!) Statistical Office: So FDP ended ahead of TheMid. (breathing a sigh of relief for one of the only Liberal parties I actually like) |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 27, 2023 11:53:04 GMT
Something unbelievable happened - a huge scandal: not only my country's SPÖ is inable to calculate, but also the Swiss (!) Statistical Office: So FDP ended ahead of TheMid. (breathing a sigh of relief for one of the only Liberal parties I actually like) Must disappoint You (partly): FDP is only ahead, because the Statistical Office includes the LDP from BasleCity (exactly the party we spoke about). On the other hand they do the same certainly with CSP-UpperValais, which has traditionally belonged to CVP (and not the federal CSP). |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 27, 2023 11:53:17 GMT
Shift of blocs (i am not happy with excluding the 3 mid-left parties from the left):  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 27, 2023 11:53:37 GMT
For those not so familiar with the position of Swiss cities on maps this overView:  Apart from the special cases of Geneve&Locarno the left has gained in all, also in the smaller entities (below 100k). The trend towards further geographic separation of the blocs took place in CH, too:  2023 ("GroßStadt"=city, "Städtisch"=urban, "Ländlich"=rural):  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 31, 2023 0:11:12 GMT
ComParison of %-changes federal elections vs. cantonal elections Zurich:  If we include the antiVaccinationers of "Aufrecht" into the (Mid)Right, there was not much difference on the blocLevel. The lower losses of Greens & FDP in spring are not surprising. By the way: The conductor of that hyper-correct opinionPoll (with errorMargins of 0.1% per polled party!) was joking, that before the corRection by the Statistical Office He had delivered the world-wide first opinionPoll, which was preciser than the official result... |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 2, 2023 14:17:08 GMT
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