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Post by maxque on Oct 3, 2022 17:37:15 GMT
Because he needed to make sure that the Evangelical vote is firm and tried (unsuccessfully) to get the poor NE vote by talking about benefits (which alienated fiscal Conservatives). The Lula campaign is planning on heavily featuring Socially Conservative Evangelical Marina De Silva, a clear attempt to stop the bleeding with religious voters. "religious". There is nothing religious about the naked cult of wealth and money that is called prosperity gospel. |
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Post by John Chanin on Oct 3, 2022 18:15:48 GMT
The Lula campaign is planning on heavily featuring Socially Conservative Evangelical Marina De Silva, a clear attempt to stop the bleeding with religious voters. "religious". There is nothing religious about the naked cult of wealth and money that is called prosperity gospel. Perhaps it’s not surprising that poor people with no obvious means of improving their situation should fall for prosperity preaching. But most conservative evangelicals reject it as heretical, and frequent scandals mean it remains somewhat marginal. The close connection between evangelicals and conservative politics matches that in the United States, and it’s based on social values derived from biblical interpretation, which carry more weight than economic issues. After all if your eternal life is at stake nothing can matter as much. Secular conservative politicians have been much more successful in appealing to this large section of Brazilian society. Left wingers tend to be more cosmopolitan and less willing to accomodate eschatalogical beliefs. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 3, 2022 18:41:29 GMT
The Lula campaign is planning on heavily featuring Socially Conservative Evangelical Marina De Silva, a clear attempt to stop the bleeding with religious voters. "religious". There is nothing religious about the naked cult of wealth and money that is called prosperity gospel. Many of them voted Lulu and Dilma, so I doubt all of them are prosperity gospel types, I suspect they voted left until 2018 mostly as a vote against the Liberal PSDB and selecting Alckmin probably backfired with them. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 3, 2022 18:45:59 GMT
I was fearing that when my son returns to Brazil next week it would be in the middle of a Bolsonaro "march on the capitol" Trump style , but in a more extreme form than Trump ever attempted. Now it looks as though his visit to his family and friends (in interior Pernambuco state, so Lula heartland country) will be in the tense period between the first and second rounds. Which is a relief, I suppose. You expected Lula to win the first round outrightly? |
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 3, 2022 19:56:38 GMT
I was fearing that when my son returns to Brazil next week it would be in the middle of a Bolsonaro "march on the capitol" Trump style , but in a more extreme form than Trump ever attempted. Now it looks as though his visit to his family and friends (in interior Pernambuco state, so Lula heartland country) will be in the tense period between the first and second rounds. Which is a relief, I suppose. You expected Lula to win the first round outrightly? It was at least a possibility, and it was the expectations of many commentators, but tbh I was never convinced. |
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 3, 2022 20:02:34 GMT
"religious". There is nothing religious about the naked cult of wealth and money that is called prosperity gospel. Perhaps it’s not surprising that poor people with no obvious means of improving their situation should fall for prosperity preaching. But most conservative evangelicals reject it as heretical, and frequent scandals mean it remains somewhat marginal. The close connection between evangelicals and conservative politics matches that in the United States, and it’s based on social values derived from biblical interpretation, which carry more weight than economic issues. After all if your eternal life is at stake nothing can matter as much. Secular conservative politicians have been much more successful in appealing to this large section of Brazilian society. Left wingers tend to be more cosmopolitan and less willing to accomodate eschatalogical beliefs. It's also because American evangelical churches have been the major influence and they tend to be politically conservative and some are more likely to be linked to prosperity theology. An aside but I recall Rios Montt of Guatemala who was in power in the early 80's and was a convert to a prosperity theology church |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 4, 2022 3:16:49 GMT
PL is now the biggest party In the North East, MidWest and South East
tied with PT in the South and in 3nd place behind MDB and União in the North West.
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Post by rcronald on Oct 4, 2022 6:26:17 GMT
RJ gov election results in the city of Rio: Claudio Castro (PL) - 49% Marcelo Freixo (PSB) - 34.9%  Some interesting things to note: 1. Castro received 2% more than Bolsonaro in the city while receiving 8% more in the state as a whole, suggesting that Lula still has Socially Conservative support or/and that Freixo's brand of Champagne Socialism alienated small town/peripheral voters. 2. Castro received 10% less in the city compared to the state while Bolsonaro received 4% less in the city compared to the state. 3. This is the first time the more Socially Conservative candidate won the city in a Gubernatorial election since 2006 and the first time since the military dictatorship ended that a SocCon won in the city against a SocLib in a gov election. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 4, 2022 9:36:31 GMT
...and it's no longer wealthy South vs. poor North, as in the PSDB-era, cf. presidential elec. 2014, runOff:  Actually it's contrary to the postJunta-era - 1989:  |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 4, 2022 9:49:56 GMT
...and it's no longer wealthy South vs. poor North, as in the PSDB-era, cf. presidential elec. 2014, runOff: Actually it's contrary to the postJunta-era - 1989: Perhaps the aggressive Law&Order policies of Bolsonaro, Witzel, and Castro are not that unpopular in the Favelas…. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 4, 2022 11:57:14 GMT
...and it's no longer wealthy South vs. poor North, as in the PSDB-era, cf. presidential elec. 2014, runOff: Perhaps the aggressive Law&Order policies of Bolsonaro, Witzel, and Castro are not that unpopular in the Favelas…. Militias:  |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 4, 2022 12:35:15 GMT
Perhaps the aggressive Law&Order policies of Bolsonaro, Witzel, and Castro are not that unpopular in the Favelas…. Militias: I assume that right-wing militia areas are in red? |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 4, 2022 13:59:33 GMT
In a major but not unexpected development,
the popular governor of Minas Gerais Romeu Zema (Novo) has endorsed Jair Bolsonaro.
Comparing the Lula years to an athlete with Anabolic Steroids.
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Post by rcronald on Oct 4, 2022 14:31:00 GMT
RJ gov election results in the city of Rio: Claudio Castro (PL) - 49% Marcelo Freixo (PSB) - 34.9% Some interesting things to note: 1. Castro received 2% more than Bolsonaro in the city while receiving 8% more in the state as a whole, suggesting that Lula still has Socially Conservative support or/and that Freixo's brand of Champagne Socialism alienated small town/peripheral voters. 2. Castro received 10% less in the city compared to the state while Bolsonaro received 4% less in the city compared to the state. 3. This is the first time the more Socially Conservative candidate won the city in a Gubernatorial election since 2006 and the first time since the military dictatorship ended that a SocCon won in the city against a SocLib in a gov election. Presidential map: Jair Bolsonaro - 47% Lula - 43.47%  Intrestingly, Bolsonaro performed better then Castro in the wealthy Barra Da Tijuca and Copacabana barrios/administrative regions. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 4, 2022 15:38:24 GMT
In a major but not unexpected development, the popular governor of Minas Gerais Romeu Zema (Novo) has endorsed Jair Bolsonaro. Comparing the Lula years to an athlete with Anabolic Steroids. Despite his personal feud with Bolsonaro, Senator elect Sergio Moro (União) has also announced his support for Bolsonaro in the 2nd round. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 4, 2022 17:01:35 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 4, 2022 18:31:11 GMT
Militias: I assume that right-wing militia areas are in red? Yes:  Races:  |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 4, 2022 18:51:58 GMT
I assume that right-wing militia areas are in red? Yes: Races: Btw, CV is a Communist/far-left gang and the only city the left won in the gubernatorial election is the city east of Rio with the massive amount of red dots. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 4, 2022 18:54:49 GMT
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 4, 2022 19:39:04 GMT
Perhaps it’s not surprising that poor people with no obvious means of improving their situation should fall for prosperity preaching. But most conservative evangelicals reject it as heretical, and frequent scandals mean it remains somewhat marginal. The close connection between evangelicals and conservative politics matches that in the United States, and it’s based on social values derived from biblical interpretation, which carry more weight than economic issues. After all if your eternal life is at stake nothing can matter as much. Secular conservative politicians have been much more successful in appealing to this large section of Brazilian society. Left wingers tend to be more cosmopolitan and less willing to accomodate eschatalogical beliefs. It's also because American evangelical churches have been the major influence and they tend to be politically conservative and some are more likely to be linked to prosperity theology. An aside but I recall Rios Montt of Guatemala who was in power in the early 80's and was a convert to a prosperity theology church The late dictator Rios Montt's brother is RC Bishop Mario Enrique Ríos Montt, who was a strong opponent of his brother's regime. He chaired the Church's local Office for Human Rights after the assassination of the previous chairman, Bishop Gerardi. |
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