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Post by rcronald on Oct 16, 2022 6:00:31 GMT
I noticed that in both 2018 and 2022 the polls were by far the most accurate in the North Western part of the country, with Acre,Amazonas,Roraima,Para and Amapa along with Maranhão (who border the region) having the only accurate polls in both elections.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 16, 2022 12:46:02 GMT
Parliamentary electionResults grouped by official partyPositions for the presidential runOff: Dep.Chamber:  Senate:  I personally wouldn’t call União and PATRI neutral…… Yes, i took notice of Your labelling and appreciate it. I just wanted to project the worstCase-scenario. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 16, 2022 13:27:08 GMT
I personally wouldn’t call União and PATRI neutral…… Yes, i took notice of Your labelling and appreciate it. I just wanted to project the worstCase-scenario. I guess, but 57 out of 59 congressmen+every governor+11 out of 12 Senators supporting Bolsonaro is practically part of the base, especially with their incoming merger with PP. The 3 elected statewide officials who are not voting Bolsonaro: União President Congressman Luciano Bivar (PE) - Neutral because of personal issues with Bolsonaro who destroyed his party for no apparent reason. Senator Soraya Thronckie (MS) - Neutral because of personal issues with Bolsonaro who called her a leech and a cockroach. Congresswoman Daniela do Waguinho (RJ) - Was essentially forced by her husband into supporting Lula mostly because he is a notoriously volatile politician (her husband), stated that she would support Bolsonaro’s agenda if his government is re-elected. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 16, 2022 19:28:53 GMT
Accusations by the Lula campaign against Bolsonaro:
Mass murderer,Pedophile,Cannibal and rapist
Accusations by the Bolsonaro campaign against Lula:
Murderer, Satanist and thief (probably the only correct accusation by both campaigns)
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Post by rcronald on Oct 16, 2022 20:04:09 GMT
Accusations by the Lula campaign against Bolsonaro: Mass murderer,Pedophile,Cannibal and rapist Accusations by the Bolsonaro campaign against Lula: Murderer, Satanist and thief (probably the only correct accusation by both campaigns) Both campaigns are fake news machines, but the Lula campaign has really gone off the rails in the 2nd round with truly appalling accusations. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 17, 2022 5:24:20 GMT
Both candidates did surprisingly well in the debate, they were calm, talked about the issues that their campaigns wanted them to talk about, with Lula hitting Bolsonaro on his abysmal handling of the pandemic, Vaccines and an alleged plan by Bolsonaro to pack the court like USDEMS, Bolsonaro hammered Lula (and Alckmin) on corruption (Petrobras), Crime (the 06 São Paulo riots,Gangs, the fact that 80% of inmates voted Lula) and stating that Lula didn’t go far enough with BolsaFamila, both candidates criticized each other over fake news,the diversion of water toward the northeastern part of the country, and more.
I personally think that Bolsonaro won because he defended himself better by pointing out extreme incompetence of NorthEastern governors during the pandemic, hitting Lula with accusations that he could not refute or explain his way out of (06 riots, Marcola and Petrobras corruption) and managing his time significantly better (he had a 5 minute monologue because Lula wasted his time unsuccessfully trying to defending himself the 06 riots and practically blaming Alckmin).
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Post by rcronald on Oct 17, 2022 5:33:47 GMT
Both candidates did surprisingly well in the debate, they were calm, talked about the issues that their campaigns wanted them to talk about, with Lula hitting Bolsonaro on his abysmal handling of the pandemic, Vaccines and an alleged plan by Bolsonaro to pack the court like USDEMS, Bolsonaro hammered Lula (and Alckmin) on corruption (Petrobras), Crime (the 06 São Paulo riots,Gangs, the fact that 80% of inmates voted Lula) and stating that Lula didn’t go far enough with BolsaFamila, both candidates criticized each other over fake news,the diversion of water toward the northeastern part of the country, and more. I personally think that Bolsonaro won because he defended himself better by pointing out extreme incompetence of NorthEastern governors during the pandemic, hitting Lula with accusations that he could not refute or explain his way out of (06 riots, Marcola and Petrobras corruption) and managing his time significantly better (he had a 5 minute monologue because Lula wasted his time unsuccessfully trying to defending himself the 06 riots and practically blaming Alckmin). Update: apparently both campaigns think Bolsonaro won the debate. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 17, 2022 18:55:45 GMT
Surprise Bolsonaro endorsement:
Former Senator, Mayor of Manaus and FHC era cabinet minister Arthur Virgílio (PSDB) has endorsed Bolsonaro despite his reputation as being a 76 years old centrist from the FHC/Serra wing of the party (the wing endorsed Lula) and was Lula’s campaign manager in 1989.
Virgílio’s support along with the support of Incumbent Centrist Mayor David Almeida (Avante), this should give Bolsonaro a base of support in the state of Amazonas.
Bolsonaro also received the endorsement of José Agripino (União-RN) today, who was the National president of Dems from 2011 to 2018 and Senator from 1994-2018. Agripino is highly influential in Rio Grande do Sul, owning the biggest TV network in RN, with his decision to concentrate on the senate race in the first round surprisingly giving RN a Conservative/Bolsonarist Senator in Rogério Marinho (PL).
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Post by rcronald on Oct 17, 2022 19:59:45 GMT
Btw, TV Globo’s strong and sudden shift to the left has to be one of the most baffling strategies I have ever seen.
Imagine being a right wing channel for decades when the majority of the population was left wing only to become a left-leaning channel after the population became majority Conservative….
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Post by rcronald on Oct 18, 2022 11:53:57 GMT
State of play in Brazil 12 days before the 2nd round:
Before we start:
1. I enjoy following Brazilian politics but am definitely not an expert.
2. If you see one of the following party labels: MDB, PSD, PODE, Avante, PROS, and Agir then unless noted otherwise the politician has no ideology and is usually just for corruption and pork politics.
Parties like PP, PL, and PTB used to be the same but became significantly more ideologically coherent (aka, right-wing) during the last 3 years.
3. Brazil tends to have wild swings during the campaign and someone who is leading by 10% today is definitely not safe.
4. There have barely been any 2nd round polls for the gubernatorial races, so I shall rely more on endorsements by machine politicians and how the campaigns themselves have been going since the end of the first round.
5. Most states (14+DF) are not having a 2nd round because a candidate received more than 50% of the vote.
Alagoas:
Incumbent (technically not in office) Governor Paulo Dantas (MDB) and his left-leaning coalition are slightly favoured against right-leaning Senator Rodrigo Cunha (União). The election is essentially a shadow fight between 2 of Alagoas’s most prominent political figures (and families), the Calheiros family led by the notoriously corrupt former President of the Senate (and still incumbent Senator) Renan Calheiros (MDB) and the Lira family led by notorious domestic abuser and Speaker of the Brazilian Chamber of Deputies Artur Lira (PP), Lira is planning to run against Renan in 2026 and has been massively expanding his machine in recent years clearly preparing for 2026. Despite leading by 10% in the only poll released so far, I have Dantas as only the slight favourite as he’s been removed from office a week ago by the Supreme Court for corruption as there’s a video of his former speaker of the Alagoas Assembly father stating that Paulo stole money while he was in the assembly and forged his father’s signature to illegally take resources from the state, and also had his net worth increasing by 550% during his 3 years in office as a state representative.
Amazonas:
Right-leaning Incumbent Governor Wilson Lima (União) is favoured against Senator and former Governor Eduardo Braga (MDB) who has most of the machine support but is trailing by 14%.
Bahia:
Left-leaning Bahia Secretary of Education Jerônimo Rodrigues (PT) is narrowly favoured against the former Mayor of Salvador and grandson of the legendary ACM (PFL), ACM Neto (União). Despite running neck and neck in the polls, the right and left getting 50% each in the 1st round and ACM running a significantly better 2nd round campaign, I have Jerônimo as the slight favourite for 2 reasons, 1. ACM made some major errors in the 1st round and the electorate seems unlikely to forget it 2. The awesome PT machine in Bahia is probably too much for him to overcome.
Espírito Santo:
Centre-Left Incumbent Renato Casagrande (PSB) is favoured against right-wing former Congressman Carlos Manato (PL), while the race has not had a single 2nd round poll and Casagrande won the first round by only 8%, I have him favoured as Manato has a reputation of madman even compared to the average Bolsonarista, leading some well known saner Bolsonaristas like popular Senator Marcos do Val (PODE) to endorse Casagrande along with all of the defeated candidates that received more than 1%.
Mato Grosso do Sul:
Right-wing state representative Renan Contar (PRTB) is favoured against right-leaning Eduardo Reidel (PSDB). Contar is favoured as he is leading in the polls by more than 10% and has surprisingly received the endorsement of the other major candidates, most of whom are right-leaning members of Centrão who want to make sure the PSDB is not in power.
Paraíba:
Centre-left Incumbent João Azevêdo (PSB) and Centre-right Congressman Pedro Cunha Lima (PSDB) are locked in a tight battle, with both candidates holding some advantages against the other, with Azevêdo winning the first round by 15.75% (39.65%-23.9%), Cunha receiving the endorsement of the 2 other major candidates and both candidates having equal machine support.
Pernambuco:
The Centrist Mayor of Caruaru, Raquel Lyra (PSDB) is heavily favoured over left-leaning Congresswoman and member of the legendary Arraes-Campos family, Marília Arraes (SD). Despite beating Lyra by 3% in the first round and receiving the endorsement of Lula, Arraes is trailing Lyra by double digits (and probably more than 20%) after making a series of major missteps regarding the aftermath of the death of Lyra’s husband who passed away on election night from a massive heart attack, Arraes refused to delay the 2nd round campaign in 3 days and let Lyra mourn her husband (she’s been with him since the age of 14) and instead aired attack ads against Lyra who was in no shape to respond and refused to go to the final burial of her opponent’s husband, this led to the public to view Arraes as a nasty person with no regard to the pain of others and (rightfully) tanked her campaign.
Rio Grande do Sul:
Centre-right Incumbent Eduardo Leite and Conservative former Bolsonaro Minister Onyx Lorenzoni (PL) are locked in a toss-up race, while Lorenzoni should have been the favourite due to his 10.7% first-round victory over Leite (37.5%-26.8%), he made two critical errors that may cost him the win 1. stating that RS is going to have a real man in the office and a real First Lady (Leite is gay) 2.Refusing to shake Leite’s hand after a debate. The 2nd round polls currently show the candidates tied ( 2 have Lorenzoni narrowly ahead and 2 have Leite narrowly ahead), however, the polls in RS showed Leite leading by 11% in the first round and he ended up losing by 11% instead…..
Rondônia:
Conservative Incumbent Marcos Rocha (União) and Conservative Senator
Marcos Rogério (PL) are evenly matched in this toss-up race, both having roughly the same amount of machine support and tying each other in the first round and the 2nd round polls. The right should prefer a Rocha win, as it would give them a potential future Senator and would not vacate them a valuable Senate seat like a Rogério win would.
São Paulo:
Conservative Bolsonaro Minister of Infrastructure Tarcísio de Freitas (REP) is heavily favoured against left-wing former Mayor of São Paulo and 2018 Presidential runner-up Fernando Haddad (PT), leading every poll by double digits, holding a massive machine advantage and runner a significantly better campaign then Haddad who seems to be vying for a job in a potential Lula administration rather than the Governorship of São Paulo.
Santa Catarina:
Right-leaning Senator Jorginho Mello (PL) is heavily favoured against lefty Temer era leader of the opposition in Congress Décio Lima (PT), Mello is not favoured just because he received the endorsement of all other major candidates nor is it just because he won in the first round by 21%, but mostly because he is a right-wing candidate against a Petista in what has to be the most Bolsonarist state in Brazil….
Sergipe:
In what has to be the most baffling race in Brazil, the first-place finisher, Conservative former Mayor of Itabaiana Valmir de Francisquinho (PL) is not in the 2nd round after being disqualified 1 day before the election (only to be dis-disqualified a week after the election) due to shady actions by 3rd place finisher, Centre-left Congressman Fábio Mitidieri (PSD). The unusual circumstances led de Francisquinho and President Bolsonaro to endorse 2nd place finisher left-leaning Senator Rogério Carvalho (PT), who is now favoured to win, to add fuel to the fire, should Carvalho win his replacement in the Senate is going to be Congressman Mitidieri’s brother…..
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 18, 2022 12:35:32 GMT
Btw, TV Globo’s strong and sudden shift to the left has to be one of the most baffling strategies I have ever seen. Imagine being a right wing channel for decades when the majority of the population was left wing only to become a left-leaning channel after the population became majority Conservative…. Yes, i realized that, too. But "O Globo"'s readership (and probably also their TeleVision-channel) is the upper (middle) class, thus not so surprising. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 18, 2022 13:51:37 GMT
Btw, TV Globo’s strong and sudden shift to the left has to be one of the most baffling strategies I have ever seen. Imagine being a right wing channel for decades when the majority of the population was left wing only to become a left-leaning channel after the population became majority Conservative…. Yes, i realized that, too. But "O Globo"'s readership (and probably also their TeleVision-channel) is the upper (middle) class, thus not so surprising. But Bolsonaro is still winning upper middle class voters by a comfortable margin, and I’m pretty sure that the TV channel has a monopoly over Brazilian television. |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 18, 2022 14:05:31 GMT
Yes, i realized that, too. But "O Globo"'s readership (and probably also their TeleVision-channel) is the upper (middle) class, thus not so surprising. But Bolsonaro is still winning upper middle class voters by a comfortable margin, and I’m pretty sure that the TV channel has a monopoly over Brazilian television.
Going since 1953 as a free to air commercial station.
And there seem to be a lot of others
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Post by rcronald on Oct 18, 2022 14:13:26 GMT
But Bolsonaro is still winning upper middle class voters by a comfortable margin, and I’m pretty sure that the TV channel has a monopoly over Brazilian television.
Going since 1953 as a free to air commercial station.
And there seem to be a lot of others
RecordTV is made for 1 specific sector (hardened evangelicals) and SBT is barely broadcasting any news. Even their own Wikipedia page is saying that GloboTV is a monopoly. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 18, 2022 21:01:18 GMT
Yes, i realized that, too. But "O Globo"'s readership (and probably also their TeleVision-channel) is the upper (middle) class, thus not so surprising. But Bolsonaro is still winning upper middle class voters by a comfortable margin, and I’m pretty sure that the TV channel has a monopoly over Brazilian television. Yes, "still". Yet, those of them with a higher formal education (not a little part, as we know) have also in Brazil been trending away:  As usual, the journaille made up of ungifted&naive graduates will be the paceMaker and the rightliberal owners will try to brake without much success. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 19, 2022 3:13:24 GMT
Lula is now leading by 4% on average, down from the 8% lead he had 2 weeks ago.
Edit: forgot to mention that on Election Day, the polls had Lula up by 14% in the 2nd round.
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Post by rcronald on Oct 19, 2022 12:39:59 GMT
Centre-right former governor of São Paulo João Doria has announced that he is leaving the PSDB, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ended up joining União/PP or their new party post merger.
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Post by AdminSTB on Oct 19, 2022 19:47:13 GMT
Lula is now leading by 4% on average, down from the 8% lead he had 2 weeks ago. Edit: forgot to mention that on Election Day, the polls had Lula up by 14% in the 2nd round. I'm seriously thinking now that Bolsonaro might just win a second term, and if I were a betting man I'd be inclined to put a few quid on him... |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 19, 2022 20:35:30 GMT
Lula is now leading by 4% on average, down from the 8% lead he had 2 weeks ago. Edit: forgot to mention that on Election Day, the polls had Lula up by 14% in the 2nd round. Heading back to Sao Bernardo do Campo to launch his second round campaign feels like he's afraid of what's going on in Sao Paulo. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 19, 2022 20:58:36 GMT
Lula is now leading by 4% on average, down from the 8% lead he had 2 weeks ago. Edit: forgot to mention that on Election Day, the polls had Lula up by 14% in the 2nd round. I'm seriously thinking now that Bolsonaro might just win a second term, and if I were a betting man I'd be inclined to put a few quid on him... The opinionPolls for the runOffs have traditionally been far more reliable and have now Lula ahead (except at least 1, but this company had Bolsonaro already for the first round in lead). But indeed - it can no longer be ruled out entirely, that Bolsonaro will have had enough momentum to prevail finally. |
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