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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 22, 2013 22:09:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 0:35:36 GMT
some damning words here www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21555727and frankly I think a few UKIP people on here will agree what she about Farage .. She said Mr Farage surrounded himself with "an old boys club of like-minded sycophants" |
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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 23, 2013 0:49:09 GMT
I have met Marta a couple of times. I never realised that she had defection in her DNA. That is the second member that you have lost today. Arnie has gone non-aligned as well I noticed. Well he texted and told me what he was going to do actually. Do you think the referendum pledge is having any effect, Richard? Sorry to see that Arnie has gone. As for the referendum pledge, no I don't see any evidence that it has had a serious effect. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 0:51:07 GMT
Polls show no impact at all and nor so far the mood from Eastleigh
This has nothing to do with the EU pledge un my view MArta not mentioned it appears very personal towards Farage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 1:03:32 GMT
OK lets state this once again
EUROPE WILL NOT DECIDE AN ELECTION
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Post by Andrew_S on Feb 23, 2013 4:51:01 GMT
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Post by Pimpernal on Feb 23, 2013 6:12:18 GMT
agree with Nigel on this one! glad she's gone at last.
Really gutted about Arnie leaving - I imiagine he stayed till the local byelection was over in his area.
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Post by arnieetc on Feb 23, 2013 8:46:03 GMT
agree with Nigel on this one! glad she's gone at last. Really gutted about Arnie leaving - I imiagine he stayed till the local byelection was over in his area. Pimp, that's exactly right. It felt wrong to abandon our candidate whilst the election was going on. I'm now having a bit of time away from active politics, before I decide what to do. If anyone's interested, I blogged a bit about why I'm leaving here: furiousabouteverything.blogspot.com |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 9:01:49 GMT
I wonder if Marta Andreasen wishes to stand again for re-election in 2014?
Ian, surely no-one would expect this to have any impact whatsover on the Eastleigh by-election and no-one has suggested it would. And Europe may not decide the overall result, but there may be some degree of impact which may not become apparent until the European Parliament elections and the general election. We're still in mid-term.
Obviously, I welcome this defection and hope that more UKIP supporters return to the Conservative fold. Increasing fragmentation of the right of centre vote only serves to play into the hands of Ed Miliband and Ed Balls, who have ruled out a referendum on EU membership.
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Post by innocentabroad on Feb 23, 2013 9:43:23 GMT
agree with Nigel on this one! glad she's gone at last. Really gutted about Arnie leaving - I imiagine he stayed till the local byelection was over in his area. Pimp, that's exactly right. It felt wrong to abandon our candidate whilst the election was going on. I'm now having a bit of time away from active politics, before I decide what to do. If anyone's interested, I blogged a bit about why I'm leaving here: furiousabouteverything.blogspot.comPopulism is where the votes are, not an undergraduate "less government is better government" view of the world. No, I don't like it either. I'd also rather not have to manage my epilepsy, but the real world is where we live. |
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Post by markgoodair on Feb 23, 2013 9:54:04 GMT
agree with Nigel on this one! glad she's gone at last. Really gutted about Arnie leaving - I imiagine he stayed till the local byelection was over in his area. He was at the count in Cas on thursday night .He did not have a UKIP rosette unlike the others in their group. |
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Post by arnieetc on Feb 23, 2013 9:58:06 GMT
To be fair Mark, I'd just bought that suit & didn't want to put a pin through it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 10:24:54 GMT
Arnie, reading your thoughts on the blog I presume when you heard about the link to Le Pen it just confirmed the thoughts anyway.
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Post by Pimpernal on Feb 23, 2013 10:26:19 GMT
agree with Nigel on this one! glad she's gone at last. Really gutted about Arnie leaving - I imiagine he stayed till the local byelection was over in his area. Pimp, that's exactly right. It felt wrong to abandon our candidate whilst the election was going on. I'm now having a bit of time away from active politics, before I decide what to do. If anyone's interested, I blogged a bit about why I'm leaving here: furiousabouteverything.blogspot.comA shame you're planning to reture altogether from active politics for a while. You were doing good stuff regarding local issues and you could carry on doing that away from any Party. Local politics is every bit as important as national politics and Parties are often an obstruction rather than a benefit when it comes to getting things done locally... |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 23, 2013 11:22:06 GMT
Pimp, that's exactly right. It felt wrong to abandon our candidate whilst the election was going on. I'm now having a bit of time away from active politics, before I decide what to do. If anyone's interested, I blogged a bit about why I'm leaving here: furiousabouteverything.blogspot.comPopulism is where the votes are, not an undergraduate "less government is better government" view of the world. It's possible but not always easy to combine both, provided one has essentially libertarian instincts as opposed to something like a libertarian dogma |
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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 23, 2013 12:08:33 GMT
I wonder if Marta Andreasen wishes to stand again for re-election in 2014? Oh I don't think that there is any doubt that she wishes to stand again in 2014. That desire is the primary reason for this defection. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 12:11:53 GMT
To be fair Mark, I'd just bought that suit & didn't want to put a pin through it! I read your blog entry and it was a breath of fresh air and exactly how I feel. I was genuinely attracted to UKIP (Pete would probably be appalled at the prospect  ), and was planning on giving my EU-vote to Mr. Farage, but I just couldn't handle the social conservatism, the gay marriage thing and sacking of the Young UKIP chap really through me off. If we could have a party whose economics was ran by UKIP and social policy by the Lib Dems I would be a happy man. As it I kind of go down the middle and hedge my bets with the tories. Do you have any plans to follow Marta across the floor? |
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 23, 2013 12:29:48 GMT
Farage, opportunistic? Who would ever have thunk it??  |
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Post by thirdchill on Feb 23, 2013 12:35:05 GMT
Am very pleased by this defection actually. Not just because it is a defection to us, but I've always had a high regard for Marta and have said so in previous posts.
In the long run it probably won't make a massive difference but it makes a nice change.
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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 23, 2013 12:42:57 GMT
I have to say that I am none too impressed by Farage's response to Marta's defection. Clearly there was bad blood between them but I think its a bit rich to cite her problems and departure from the EU Commission, as proof of how difficult she is to deal with. That smacks of double standards and pure opportunism. It wasn't too long ago that I recall him citing the case as an example of how corrupt and dishonest the Commission was. Mr Farage has done himself a tad of harm there in my view. he certainly has with me anyway. I was appalled that they put that response out as a party statement. I can understand it as an off the cuff remark from Farage but to put it out officially is staggeringly unprofessional. |
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), and was planning on giving my EU-vote to Mr. Farage, but I just couldn't handle the social conservatism, the gay marriage thing and sacking of the Young UKIP chap really through me off. 
