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Post by Pimpernal on May 18, 2013 18:46:28 GMT
Well we get a vote...
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Post by timrollpickering on May 18, 2013 21:59:41 GMT
And what does Nigel give you a vote on?
Having been part of my region's selection college the rules are clear and the reporting of this bad.
Marta had never faced an open selection in the first place so it's right that she doesn't get an automatic advance to the top slots.
However if we're going to argue about what MEPs do, what have either Nigel Farage or Daniel Hannan achieved in the parliament? YouTube hits don't count.
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Post by Pimpernal on May 19, 2013 7:12:16 GMT
MEPs are not there to achieve - they are there to rubber stamp and nod along.
Both Farage and Hannan have showed the whole farce to be exactly that...
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 8:46:06 GMT
MEPs are not there to achieve - they are there to rubber stamp and nod along. Both Farage and Hannan have showed the whole farce to be exactly that... This is where I totally agree, for example Farage is so interested in protecting British interests he barely turns up to the fisheries committee he is on. At Westminister if you are on a committee you very rarely see this kind of absence. This is why I do not bother with the Euro elections, total waste of time. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 13:43:06 GMT
MEPs are not there to achieve - they are there to rubber stamp and nod along. Both Farage and Hannan have showed the whole farce to be exactly that... This is where I totally agree, for example Farage is so interested in protecting British interests he barely turns up to the fisheries committee he is on. At Westminister if you are on a committee you very rarely see this kind of absence. This is why I do not bother with the Euro elections, total waste of time. To be fair, his mandate is to not collude with the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 13:44:57 GMT
whilst we are still in the EU surely if he is picking up all that lovely cash for him and the party he should do his best to protect British interests ??
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 13:52:51 GMT
whilst we are still in the EU surely if he is picking up all that lovely cash for him and the party he should do his best to protect British interests ?? People elected him to be rude and do as little as possible. He is doing very well on those fronts. Its why I am voting UKIP as a protest in these elections, not against my party, but against the EU. |
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Post by erlend on May 19, 2013 21:24:08 GMT
Was Saj Karim sent straight through to the incumbent ballot last time?
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Post by andrea on May 19, 2013 21:28:38 GMT
Was Saj Karim sent straight through to the incumbent ballot last time? Yes. As there was another sitting MEP standing again, he was then ranked second by the membership. He has won re-selection again last week. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 19, 2013 21:49:52 GMT
MEPs are not there to achieve - they are there to rubber stamp and nod along. Both Farage and Hannan have showed the whole farce to be exactly that... Then perhaps they could save us all some money and not take a salary and expenses? |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 23:05:50 GMT
MEPs are not there to achieve - they are there to rubber stamp and nod along. Both Farage and Hannan have showed the whole farce to be exactly that... Then perhaps they could save us all some money and not take a salary and expenses? They need the expenses to fly there and be rude. |
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Post by timrollpickering on May 20, 2013 0:55:48 GMT
And what does Nigel give you a vote on? Having been part of my region's selection college the rules are clear and the reporting of this bad. Marta had never faced an open selection in the first place so it's right that she doesn't get an automatic advance to the top slots. However if we're going to argue about what MEPs do, what have either Nigel Farage or Daniel Hannan achieved in the parliament? YouTube hits don't count. Well, I think that may be a bit unfair, Tim. What MEP's 'achieve' is not that easy to judge. Hannan's voting record is very good, he sticks to the agreed policy and does everything that he ought. If you ask that question of Hannan you could easily ask the same of any other MEP. Much of what MEPs do is horse trading behind the scenes. That is partially true. Some MEPs take a system approach, others an outsider one - you can compared questions tabled, speeches in the chamber, motions drafted, reports written and the like and see where they focus their influence. A lot of the Conservative MEPs have taken the system approach as a way of blocking and if not blocking then watering down the Eurobollocks to limit its effect on the UK - some of the London MEPs in particular are vey strong on business regulation because of the effect on the City. The harsh reality is that we are in the EU and we can't take risks of letting Eurobollocks cripple us more than the minimum just because we're hoping to pull out in the near future. MEPs who primarily just turn up to hear themselves speak have no influence in the parliament and do not advance their country's cause at all. It is quite telling that after being there for fourteen years UKIP has still not developed a strategy for promoting its vision of British interests, fighting poposals of harm to the country and advancing the interests of individual regions, in particular getting some of our money back via the various development funds. Of course one can declare a mandate to do nothing. I respect Sinn Fein MPs' decision to boycott not only Westminster but also the salaries. But those who take the salaries and just turn up to self-promote are the worst. |
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Post by Pimpernal on May 20, 2013 7:14:37 GMT
MEPs are not there to achieve - they are there to rubber stamp and nod along. Both Farage and Hannan have showed the whole farce to be exactly that... Then perhaps they could save us all some money and not take a salary and expenses? Erm, that is, in the end, the desired outcome... just on a general rather than specific scale... |
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Post by greenchristian on May 20, 2013 17:28:17 GMT
MEPs are not there to achieve - they are there to rubber stamp and nod along. Both Farage and Hannan have showed the whole farce to be exactly that... I'm very glad that my party's MEPs don't take this point of view, and have proved that it is possible for MEPs to have an impact. Though, to be fair, they do have the advantage of being in a larger group than either Farage or Hannan. |
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Post by timrollpickering on May 21, 2013 1:03:33 GMT
Though Hannan used to be in a larger goup and never did much then apart from agitating all the time to leave it and comparing procedures to override filibusters to Hitler's Enabling Act.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 18:44:11 GMT
All UKIP MEPs have done is grown rich. They represent the country about as effectively as a shoelace.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 20:22:16 GMT
All UKIP MEPs have done is grown rich. They represent the country about as effectively as a shoelace. Thats sort of their point to be honest. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 13, 2013 16:31:22 GMT
All UKIP MEPs have done is grown rich. They represent the country about as effectively as a shoelace. I was talking to one of our MEPs very recently and he told me that Farage is a smart bloke, who would like to do a deal with the Conservatives.....because he is one.....but who will never do a deal with Cameron because he absolutely despises him. He also said that the rest of UKIP's MEPs are a complete and utter waste of time. Don't shoot the messenger.....that is what he said and he is an arch Eurosceptic. He said that, apart from Farage, none of them do anything and can barely be bothered to turn up to attend their committees. But Farage has the fifth worst attendance record of any MEP, and unless they've suffered a mass defection in the last couple of days, UKIP has a lot more than five seats. |
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