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Post by right on Nov 10, 2024 17:03:54 GMT
Newsmax is trash. US GB News. Yet undocumented voters do exist |
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Post by right on Nov 10, 2024 17:05:49 GMT
and that is relevant how? You can't see that stopping your citizens going out is different from stopping other citizens coming in? |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Nov 10, 2024 17:22:58 GMT
President, I served with Grover Cleveland. President, Grover Cleveland was a friend of mine/ President, you're no Grover Cleveland. Is Cleveland, Oho named after him or the place in the north east of England? Neither. Obviously Cleveland's not named for Grover Cleveland as it was founded 41 years before he was born. But it's actually named for Moses Cleaveland. |
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Post by tomc on Nov 10, 2024 17:46:18 GMT
President, I served with Grover Cleveland. President, Grover Cleveland was a friend of mine/ President, you're no Grover Cleveland. Is Cleveland, Oho named after him or the place in the north east of England? Neither. Obviously Cleveland's not named for Grover Cleveland as it was founded 41 years before he was born. But it's actually named for Moses Cleaveland. Was Moses Cleveland named for Cleveland County Council? |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Nov 10, 2024 18:20:57 GMT
President, I served with Grover Cleveland. President, Grover Cleveland was a friend of mine/ President, you're no Grover Cleveland. Is Cleveland, Oho named after him or the place in the north east of England? No, but Cleveland in Utah was, so he does have an eponymous settlement. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 10, 2024 18:23:01 GMT
Watching Pelosi try to throw Biden under the bus is embarrassing. Never her fault is it? Power brokers who mysteriously can't control anything if it didn't have the consequences desired.
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Post by Jack on Nov 10, 2024 18:29:17 GMT
Watching Pelosi try to throw Biden under the bus is embarrassing. Never her fault is it? Power brokers who mysteriously can't control anything if it didn't have the consequences desired. She always knew he was a bad candidate and they should have got rid of him sooner, she just didn't bother to make it happen. |
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Post by sanders on Nov 10, 2024 18:33:16 GMT
Mike Lee might become Attorney General. Might see a Utah special election. Evan McMullin got within 11% in 2022. An independent is Democrats' best bet. They're strong in Salt Lake City. But that won't be enough here. Ohio is more promising of course. Plus that special election is certain. Given that Trump fired Jeff Sessions as Attorney-General, it's a big risk any sitting Senator, in my view, to take a cabinet post. Sessions failed to get his Alabama seat back in 2020's primary. Other names in the running include Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. To say Paxton is a controversial character is probably underselling it. He almost got removed from office.
The special elections after any appointments will be fascinating. Biden tended to animate people in safe Democratic seats like New Mexico's 1st and Ohio's 11th. There were wild swings against the GOP in 2017 after Trump's appointments although no seats actually fell. These special elections can often be portentous vis-a-vis the midterm. 2017 was pretty indicative of the blue wave that came in 2018. 2021 saw Dems outperform 2020 in NM-01.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Nov 10, 2024 19:39:23 GMT
Neither. Obviously Cleveland's not named for Grover Cleveland as it was founded 41 years before he was born. But it's actually named for Moses Cleaveland. Was Moses Cleveland named for Cleveland County Council? The Cleaveland family currently can only be traced by industrious Mormons back as far as Moses' great-great-grandfather (also called Moses), who was born in Ipswich. Presumably at some point an ancestor will have come from somewhere in Langbaurgh or one of those wapentakes. |
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Post by stb12 on Nov 10, 2024 20:09:26 GMT
Mike Lee might become Attorney General. Might see an Utah special election. Evan McMullin got within 11% in 2022. An independent is Democrats' best bet. They're strong in Salt Lake City. But that won't be enough here. Ohio is more promising of course. Plus that special election is certain. Given that Trump fired Jeff Sessions as Attorney-General, it's a big risk any sitting Senator, in my view, to take a cabinet post. Sessions failed to get his Alabama seat back in 2020's primary. Other names in the running include Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. To say Paxton is a controversial character is probably underselling it. He almost got removed from office. The special elections after any appointments will be fascinating. Biden tended to animate people in safe Democratic seats like New Mexico's 1st and Ohio's 11th. There were wild swings against the GOP in 2017 after Trump's appointments although no seats actually fell. These special elections can often be portentous vis-a-vis the midterm. 2017 was pretty indicative of the blue wave that came in 2018. 2021 saw Dems outperform 2020 in NM-01. Given the narrow majorities they will have in both chambers I imagine Trump will be greatly encouraged to avoid appointing anyone in a district or Senate seat where a special election could be awkward (even though time can be bought with Senate appointments it depends on where the seat is in the cycle) They even lost Alabama for a bit due to Jeff Sessions becoming attorney general, although the Roy Moore situation was pretty extraordinary |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 10, 2024 22:34:01 GMT
It apparently depends which direction you're moving that determines whether you can be promptly shot dead or not according to some members... Very much so. It is abhorent to shoot people who wish to flee your jurisdiction. It is fairly clearly an act of soverignty to shoot people who seek to invade it. That should not even be a matter for debate If you dont get that, I dont know if it is worth further discussion |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 11, 2024 3:01:14 GMT
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Post by sanders on Nov 11, 2024 6:42:24 GMT
There are some curious trends under the bonnet. North Carolina voted 4% to the right of the country in 2020. This year, it's looking more like the Tar Heel State is voting 0.7% to the right of the country. Georgia voted about 3.5% to the country's right in 2020; the Peach State has (as of now) voted 0.2% to the left of the country. Georgia last voted to the country's left in 1980 when native Georgian Jimmy Carter was President. It's possible when all the votes are counted that both states have voted to the left of the nation.
The shifts augur well for Democrats' chances in these states in 2026. We will have a competitive North Carolina Senate race and an open seat in Georgia's gubernatorial election. Democrats haven't won a North Carolina Senate race since 2008 (when the late Kay Hagan won the seat off Elizabeth Dole), and they haven't had a governor elected in Georgia since 1998 (when Roy Barnes was elected).
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Post by tomc on Nov 11, 2024 9:57:47 GMT
There are some curious trends under the bonnet. North Carolina voted 4% to the right of the country in 2020. This year, it's looking more like the Tar Heel State is voting 0.7% to the right of the country. Georgia voted about 3.5% to the country's right in 2020; the Peach State has (as of now) voted 0.2% to the left of the country. Georgia last voted to the country's left in 1980 when native Georgian Jimmy Carter was President. It's possible when all the votes are counted that both states have voted to the left of the nation. The shifts augur well for Democrats' chances in these states in 2026. We will have a competitive North Carolina Senate race and an open seat in Georgia's gubernatorial election. Democrats haven't won a North Carolina Senate race since 2008 (when the late Kay Hagan won the seat off Elizabeth Dole), and they haven't had a governor elected in Georgia since 1998 (when Roy Barnes was elected). Those aren't trends they're irrelevant noise from which nothing can be extrapolated. |
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Post by sanders on Nov 11, 2024 10:27:55 GMT
There are some curious trends under the bonnet. North Carolina voted 4% to the right of the country in 2020. This year, it's looking more like the Tar Heel State is voting 0.7% to the right of the country. Georgia voted about 3.5% to the country's right in 2020; the Peach State has (as of now) voted 0.2% to the left of the country. Georgia last voted to the country's left in 1980 when native Georgian Jimmy Carter was President. It's possible when all the votes are counted that both states have voted to the left of the nation. The shifts augur well for Democrats' chances in these states in 2026. We will have a competitive North Carolina Senate race and an open seat in Georgia's gubernatorial election. Democrats haven't won a North Carolina Senate race since 2008 (when the late Kay Hagan won the seat off Elizabeth Dole), and they haven't had a governor elected in Georgia since 1998 (when Roy Barnes was elected). Those aren't trends they're irrelevant noise from which nothing can be extrapolated. Or put another way: “The trends I like are continuing. The trends I don’t like aren’t”. Ignore trends at your own risk. |
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Post by mboy on Nov 11, 2024 10:33:29 GMT
It apparently depends which direction you're moving that determines whether you can be promptly shot dead or not according to some members... Very much so. It is abhorent to shoot people who wish to flee your jurisdiction. It is fairly clearly an act of soverignty to shoot people who seek to invade it. That should not even be a matter for debate If you dont get that, I dont know if it is worth further discussion Bang on. And everyone instinctively knows this to be true when framed without skin colours. It's only when skin colour arrives that clowns who have drunk the Social Justice potion start arguing that non-white people should be able to ignore all laws and norms. But if South Africa's black border-troops shot at a mob of hundreds of white Zimbabweans attempting to rush the border to break through, these same people would be cheering from the roof-tops. |
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Post by matureleft on Nov 11, 2024 11:20:24 GMT
I’m not going to applaud anyone for shooting unarmed civilians seeking to cross a border regardless of their ethnicity or colour. I simply don’t accept that killing people is a reasonable response to this action alone. If violence is used or border patrol personnel need to protect themselves that’s a different matter.
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Post by mboy on Nov 11, 2024 11:29:49 GMT
Nearly 10,000 people died on largely illegal migration attempts in the last year **. This has been caused by developed countries allowing the concept of "national border" to be eroded in the global consciousness to the extent that people looking for a better life think they can simply ignore militarised zones (which borders are) and do what they fricking want. I don't advocate deliberate killing of people attempting to cross borders illegally, but I certainly do think that some well placed non-fatal shooting incidents would make it clear that breaking through barriers and illegally crossing borders is NOT acceptable and collapse that illegal migration and so save ten thousand lives a year. People attempting to cross borders illegally need to understand that what they are doing is a very grave violation of another country's sovereignty and laws, and comes with massive risks. The moronic "be kind" solution has driven criminal behaviour to the extent that it's now costing 10,000 lives a year and has driven people-smuggling to be the one of the biggest global criminal businesses in history. ** www.iom.int/news/deadliest-year-record-migrants-nearly-8600-deaths-2023 |
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Post by sanders on Nov 11, 2024 11:41:23 GMT
Nearly 10,000 people died on largely illegal migration attempts in the last year **. This has been caused by developed countries allowing the concept of "national border" to be eroded in the global consciousness to the extent that people looking for a better life think they can simply ignore militarised zones (which borders are) and do what they fricking want. I don't advocate deliberate killing of people attempting to cross borders illegally, but I certainly do think that some well placed non-fatal shooting incidents would make it clear that breaking through barriers and illegally crossing borders is NOT acceptable and collapse that illegal migration and so save ten thousand lives a year. People attempting to cross borders illegally need to understand that what they are doing is a very grave violation of another country's sovereignty and laws, and comes with massive risks. The moronic "be kind" solution has driven criminal behaviour to the extent that it's now costing 10,000 lives a year and has driven people-smuggling to be the one of the biggest global criminal businesses in history. ** www.iom.int/news/deadliest-year-record-migrants-nearly-8600-deaths-2023I agree. During the election, they interviewed lots of voters in border counties in border states and the overwhelming takeaway is that 20 years ago illegal immigration wasn't this cartelised. Back then you had a few individuals, now it's a horrible business (that must be destroyed). But it's a business. Just like the transatlantic slave trade. "Refugees welcome here" misses the point. Obviously my wife came here legally and not everyone can get a spousal visa, but there are legal routes. |
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Post by mboy on Nov 11, 2024 11:43:59 GMT
The comparison with the slave trade is valid. Not only the transport networks and money, but many of those smuggled end up as either de facto slaves in bonded debt to their smugglers, or even as literal slaves in confinement.
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