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Post by right on Nov 14, 2024 12:30:45 GMT
We have no really examined the catastrophic failure of the celebrity endorsement. The great Larry Holmes once opined "I used to be black but now I am rich" Oprah and Beyonce are no longer black. Come to that, they are not women either. Their maids are women. Just how much Oprah and Beyonce were paid to endorse Harris is the subject of debate. Oprah says she wasn't, but her company was. So that's clear By contrast, Bryson De Chambeau endorsing Trump managed amazingly to come across as courageous. Trump BTW is when adjusted for age probably the best golfer to occupy the White House. Meaningless to all rational people, but Biden and Clinton both lied enthusiastically about their ability. Yes, Oprah made some nice money off the Harris campaign. On a related note, one of the campaign senior bods said that the Joe Rogan proposal fell apart because they feared a backlash amongst the hard-line part of the base. It was set up, ready to go and crucially...free, other than flying to Texas. Instead she ended up being sent to do some women's sex and relationship podcast, and the campaign was stiffed for a six-figure sum to build a custom set. The non appearance on Rogan may have been more to do with Harris's inability to deal with unscripted questions rather than worrying about the base. The base was in a tizzy over Trump and would have accepted just about any move right that wasn't clearly self destructive. If it was a problem within her team, and I've been hearing the Dems have had issues with junior and mid level staff holding their more moderate candidates hostage, then that's a difficult but soluble problem for the Democrats. There are legions of capable volunteers who are either moderate enough or capable of knuckling down. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 14, 2024 12:30:56 GMT
If you go off what Oprah says, and it's not an unreasonable response- she charged Harris a million dollars for setting up campaign events. Still, why a media tycoon didn't believe in it enough to do it for free is another question. There seems to be lots of noises from Dem sources that essentially suggest that numerous people offered their services to the campaign for a fee. Dubious value on a lot of them. Including 3.9m on an agency to identify social media influencers for them (a job you'd think existed in-house in the campaign). Losing campaigns, particularly well funded ones like Hilary's or Romney's, often seem to have comical stories about waste. A lot of this is hindsight about misplaced effort and it's an easy trap to fall in to. Which I have fallen in plenty of times. Perhaps Oprah was seen as a gateway to Republican inclined middle aged to elderly white wives, which isn't on the face of it a ludicrous assumption. And perhaps the payment wasn't that unusual, covering supplier costs which sort of ties in with the reported explanation. Yes, her response today does indeed indicate that the payments were for supplier costs for the events, including wages etc. They went to her company and not her directly. |
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Post by right on Nov 14, 2024 12:32:43 GMT
Losing campaigns, particularly well funded ones like Hilary's or Romney's, often seem to have comical stories about waste. A lot of this is hindsight about misplaced effort and it's an easy trap to fall in to. Which I have fallen in plenty of times. Perhaps Oprah was seen as a gateway to Republican inclined middle aged to elderly white wives, which isn't on the face of it a ludicrous assumption. And perhaps the payment wasn't that unusual, covering supplier costs which sort of ties in with the reported explanation. Yes, her response today does indeed indicate that the payments were for supplier costs for the events, including wages etc. They went to her company and not her directly. Are their countervailing contributions to cover the invoice? Could be a tax dodge rather than straight up diversion of funds. |
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Post by johnloony on Nov 14, 2024 13:02:22 GMT
Is that a joke or an actually? |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 14, 2024 13:05:59 GMT
Will GOP senators be prepared to block many nominees given the size of Trump's mandate? Trump's popular vote lead is now just 2% - not exactly an overwhelming mandate. It could yet end up closer to 1%, and it is also touch and go whether he actually manages 50% of the popular vote. |
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Post by timmullen on Nov 14, 2024 13:06:13 GMT
Again, what payment, and why Oprah when she’s been on the stump for every candidate since Bill Clinton? Evidence please. A bit surprised that you're responding to a post saying this is probably a nothing with a post demanding I prove this is a something But although distressingly on your side on this issue I don't think an appeal to Oprah's selfless love of the Democrats will get you as far as you think. She's an operator who (entirely understandably) pays a lot of attention to the bottom line. Ah so you have no evidence to support your assertion, which I’m not saying is “probably a nothing” I’m saying is a nothing until proven otherwise, in other words you’re making crap up to pass the time of day. Incidentally paying for an endorsement or a public appearance, other than travel, accommodation, some clothing and food, is illegal, so where are the Republican complaints to the Federal Election Commission? 🐂💩 |
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Post by timmullen on Nov 14, 2024 13:12:19 GMT
Is that a joke or an actually? A joke on an actually; Gaetz has been accused of multiple offences of the sort referred to, law enforcement has not taken any action officially because of the “unreliability of witnesses” but an associate alleged to have been at the same parties has been charged and pleaded guilty. He has also provided a witness statement implicating Gaetz. The House Ethics Committee was due to publish their report into the allegations tomorrow but cannot now as Gaetz has resigned his House membership. |
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Post by manchesterman on Nov 14, 2024 13:36:21 GMT
I suspect they are willing to defer to him for relatively minor positions but Gabbard for DNI and Gaetz for AG? These are just crazy picks that wouldn't get half a dozen GOP votes in a secret ballot. This probably also ends any idea that the Senate will accept Trump's demands to allow him to make recess appointments. Could Mike Johnson force it though?? If he requests that the House adjourns and the Senate says no, that would give Trump the opportunity to step in, as outlined in this thread below?? Well he did talk about acting like a Dictator for 1 day. No one can say we werent warned. |
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Post by manchesterman on Nov 14, 2024 13:48:03 GMT
As Gaetz has now resigned, if he fails to get appointed AG, does that mean he's out on his arse altogether?  |
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Post by timmullen on Nov 14, 2024 13:49:40 GMT
As Gaetz has now resigned, if he fails to get appointed AG, does that mean he's out on his arse altogether? Yes; maybe a run for Governor in two years time as DeSantis is term limited. |
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Post by graham on Nov 14, 2024 13:58:47 GMT
It looks as if the Pennsylvania Senate race is heading for an automatic recount with the current margin at 0.4%.
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Post by riccimarsh on Nov 14, 2024 14:14:22 GMT
Losing campaigns, particularly well funded ones like Hilary's or Romney's, often seem to have comical stories about waste. A lot of this is hindsight about misplaced effort and it's an easy trap to fall in to. Which I have fallen in plenty of times. Perhaps Oprah was seen as a gateway to Republican inclined middle aged to elderly white wives, which isn't on the face of it a ludicrous assumption. And perhaps the payment wasn't that unusual, covering supplier costs which sort of ties in with the reported explanation. Yes, her response today does indeed indicate that the payments were for supplier costs for the events, including wages etc. They went to her company and not her directly. Regardless of whether payments to the likes of Winfrey are a good idea, at least the Harris campaign seems to pay their campaign bills… Trump still owes tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to cities like Billings, El Paso and Green Bay after holding rallies there. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Nov 14, 2024 14:23:44 GMT
As Gaetz has now resigned, if he fails to get appointed AG, does that mean he's out on his arse altogether? He could always re-stand in the special election. It is a safe GOP seat. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 14, 2024 14:30:29 GMT
Yes, her response today does indeed indicate that the payments were for supplier costs for the events, including wages etc. They went to her company and not her directly. Regardless of whether payments to the likes of Winfrey are a good idea, at least the Harris campaign seems to pay their campaign bills… Trump still owes tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to cities like Billings, El Paso and Green Bay after holding rallies there. My point was less about who is a good payer, and more that the Harris campaign appears to have ended up prey to a lot of people offering services of dubious value to the campaign. Which probably had an impact of how effective it was. |
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Post by sanders on Nov 14, 2024 15:19:38 GMT
As Gaetz has now resigned, if he fails to get appointed AG, does that mean he's out on his arse altogether? Best news of the whole year. McCarthy will be popping champagne corks. I don't see Gaetz getting confirmed. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 14, 2024 16:05:29 GMT
Married to Frank Wu BTW. Well, it means something to me.
Oh, she is Trans BTW.
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Post by johng on Nov 14, 2024 16:12:23 GMT
As Gaetz has now resigned, if he fails to get appointed AG, does that mean he's out on his arse altogether? He could still run in the special election for his district.
It is safe GOP and he'd have Trump's backing.
Or Governor in 2026, though he'd previously denied wanting the role.
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Post by stb12 on Nov 14, 2024 16:24:05 GMT
There will be a Florida senate vacancy assuming Rubio has no issues getting confirmed…
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Post by mboy on Nov 14, 2024 16:25:29 GMT
Married to Frank Wu BTW. Well, it means something to me. Oh, she is Trans BTW. Brianna Wu has been on an interesting journey over the last few years. 10 years ago she was in the vanguard of the woke and as a trans-woman was much respected in Social Justice circles; then about 4 years ago she started to realise that Wokery was going off the edge and was heading for trouble and since then has been shouting louder and louder about the train-wreck that the Culture War has become. In response she has since been excommunicated from many Social Justice communities, including the trans one - who regard her as a traitor because she has gone cold on trans-ing children. The latest reason to see her shot-down was her strong opposition to the flood of antisemitism since Oct 7th last year and support for Israel's right to defend itself. So she's now considered "far right" by all the usual suspects, despite still being a centre-left Kemala Harris campaigner. I think she speaks a lot of sense on many topics actually, and I would consider her a British-style liberal now. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 14, 2024 16:39:42 GMT
She is correct that reasonable Trans People need to be willing to stand up to the zealots but two obvious problems are that before Trans People become reasonable they will often go through their evangelical phase (as she did) and also that genuine Trans People (in the sense that they are sincere in their self-identity) are probably now a minority among those who claim to identify as Trans, outnumbered by attention-seeking activist gay men for whom the whole point of cross-dressing is to be noticed (Izzard, take your bow). We have probably passed peak Sex-offender-Trans and we have probably passed peak Teenage-girl-fashionable-self-harm-Trans. Now it is mostly about straight activist leftist allies with pronouns and Look at Me Gay Men under 30 so the tide is at least running her way.
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