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Post by observer on Nov 11, 2024 11:49:25 GMT
Even in California, the hotbed of wokery, people are rejecting the policies of the far left.
In Los Angeles, they elected a Republican as district attorney, ousting from office a George Soros-funded DA, George Gascón.
In Oakland, voters recalled their DA and mayor.
Seventy percent of voters in the state—and every single county—backed Proposition 36, a measure undoing soft-on-crime measures brought in under 2014’s Prop 47. Now, if you are caught stealing items worth under $950 three times, you will be charged with a felony, rather than a misdemeanor.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 11, 2024 11:53:56 GMT
There were also lots of "progressive" measures passed, even in "deep red" states.
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Post by sanders on Nov 11, 2024 11:54:28 GMT
Even in California, the hotbed of wokery, people are rejecting the policies of the far left. In Los Angeles, they elected a Republican as district attorney, ousting from office a George Soros-funded DA, George Gascón. In Oakland, voters recalled their DA and mayor. Seventy percent of voters in the state—and every single county—backed Proposition 36, a measure undoing soft-on-crime measures brought in under 2014’s Prop 47. Now, if you are caught stealing items worth under $950 three times, you will be charged with a felony, rather than a misdemeanor. California's liberalism is often overstated, really. In 2008, California rejected gay marriage. Look up Proposition 187 from 1994. It severely restricted immigrants' rights. It really isn't that liberal. It's just heavily Democratic. There's a difference. The Bishop is also correct. Take Missouri for example. In 2020, they backed Medicare expansion. This year, it was $15 wages. Florida too. Sure, they had their anti-democratic thresholds. But pro-choice measure won by our definitions of victory. So too did legalising marijuana. We can debate the rights and wrongs of 60% thresholds for referendums, but the verdict is clear, the majority of voters want decriminalise marijuana and access to abortion in the Sunshine State. |
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Post by observer on Nov 11, 2024 11:56:14 GMT
If the exit poll is correct there has been a swing among women towards Trump. I have seen it explained thus: women are reacting against the nonsense directed towards their husbands, sons, friends etc. I have seen this shift among my wife's extended family in Spain. There is a cultural shift across many western countries |
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Post by stb12 on Nov 11, 2024 12:23:30 GMT
State ballot measures regularly seem to not add up with party loyalties in the way you’d expect
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 11, 2024 12:39:07 GMT
There were also lots of "progressive" measures passed, even in "deep red" states. Which raises an interesting strategic question for the Democrats. Some states had clear support for abortion, but also clear support for Trump. So what was it that attracted voters to the Democrats' signature platform plank, but repelled them from the Democrats themselves? |
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Post by rcronald on Nov 11, 2024 12:44:21 GMT
There were also lots of "progressive" measures passed, even in "deep red" states. Which raises an interesting strategic question for the Democrats. Some states had clear support for abortion, but also clear support for Trump. So what was it that attracted voters to the Democrats' signature platform plank, but repelled them from the Democrats themselves? The Dems have a major problem in that they are viewed as DC obsessed while the gop is generally viewed as more pro states-rights, so the GOP can get away with more. |
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Post by stb12 on Nov 11, 2024 12:45:56 GMT
This has probably cropped up already somewhere but when was the last time that twice in a row the party of the White House was defeated after one term (obviously Biden didn’t run in the end but I mean in terms of it only being a one term Democratic presidency)?
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Post by rcronald on Nov 11, 2024 12:46:44 GMT
This has probably cropped up already somewhere but when was the last time that twice in a row the party of the White House was defeated after one term (obviously Biden didn’t run in the end but I mean in terms of it only being a one term Democratic presidency)? late 19th century. Grover Cleveland. |
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Post by sanders on Nov 11, 2024 12:47:49 GMT
State ballot measures regularly seem to not add up with party loyalties in the way you’d expect Yes and it's a beautiful thing. Elites are polarised, voters are not. |
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Post by stb12 on Nov 11, 2024 12:49:38 GMT
This has probably cropped up already somewhere but when was the last time that twice in a row the party of the White House was defeated after one term (obviously Biden didn’t run in the end but I mean in terms of it only being a one term Democratic presidency)? late 19th century. Grover Cleveland. Knew about his two non-consecutive terms record that Trump had broken, but thought there might have been a more recent example of the party dynamic somewhere. Does show how unusual it is for a President or even a party to not get two consecutive terms |
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Post by rcronald on Nov 11, 2024 12:50:07 GMT
State ballot measures regularly seem to not add up with party loyalties in the way you’d expect Yes and it's a beautiful thing. Elites are polarised, voters are not. Seeing ruling parties getting slapped in the face with referendums is very funny. This year’s main victims: CADems, MOReps. |
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Post by sanders on Nov 11, 2024 12:55:32 GMT
Yes and it's a beautiful thing. Elites are polarised, voters are not. Seeing ruling parties getting slapped in the face with referendums is very funny. This year’s main victims: CADems, MOReps. California is not a liberal bastion. Look at every ballot initiative there. |
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Post by rcronald on Nov 11, 2024 12:56:42 GMT
Seeing ruling parties getting slapped in the face with referendums is very funny. This year’s main victims: CADems, MOReps. California is not a liberal bastion. Look at every ballot initiative there. CA is a bastion of toxic identity politics that happen to benefit the Dems. Basically like caste politics in India. |
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Post by sanders on Nov 11, 2024 12:57:57 GMT
California is not a liberal bastion. Look at every ballot initiative there. CA is a bastion of toxix identity politics that happen to benefit the Dems. Basically like caste politics in India. California can go and fuck itself. Stupid state - too slow counting elections. |
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Post by rcronald on Nov 11, 2024 12:58:41 GMT
CA is a bastion of toxix identity politics that happen to benefit the Dems. Basically like caste politics in India. California can go and fuck itself. Stupid state - too slow counting elections. Incompetent state leadership that hurts the Dem brand nationwide, |
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Post by sanders on Nov 11, 2024 13:00:00 GMT
California can go and fuck itself. Stupid state - too slow counting elections. Incompetent state leadership that hurts the Dem brand nationwide, Just looks at the House seats. Many should never have been lost. If you want good governance. North Carolina is a good model, honestly, Very pro business state. The Democrats typically win the governorship. Sometimes divided govern,ent is best. North Carolina exemplifies this. GOP running whackos helps Democrats, obviously. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 11, 2024 13:01:09 GMT
The abortion issue is that most reasonable people agree that it should be safe, legal and rare but they recognise that you can't really make it rare if it is available. So broadly they will support legislation that looks very like UK abortion laws, give or take a couple of weeks.
The GOP's problem was that this position divided the party's activist base. Their solution was to make it a matter of states' rights.
The problem the Democrats have is that they have turned the regrettable necessity of abortion into an event that they almost celebrate. They have invented this glorious NewSpeak term "Reproductive Rights" to describe the right not to reproduce even once you have and presented it to an electorate the overwhelming majority of whom are perfectly capable of managing their reproductivity competently. And yes you can wheel about a lovely married couple with one kid who desperately hoped for a second only to discover that the foetus was non-viable but their idiotic state or doctor would not sign off a D&C and they had to drive to the next state and you can portray that as what the debate is all about. But it's not and the voters know it. It is an exception that needs addressing at the state level and will be.
Harris pretty much ran a campign on the view that abortion was great. Its not a winner.
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 11, 2024 13:03:24 GMT
All of the big states are quite spectacularly poorly run. You just get to choose which type of maladministration you prefer.
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Post by rcronald on Nov 11, 2024 13:03:46 GMT
Incompetent state leadership that hurts the Dem brand nationwide, Just looks at the House seats. Many should never have been lost. If you want good governance. North Carolina is a good model, honestly, Very pro business state. The Democrats typically win the governorship. Sometimes divided govern,ent is best. North Carolina exemplifies this. GOP running whackos helps Democrats, obviously. NC,VA,WA,UT,NH,CO,FL and TX (if you ignore controversial social policies), are all states that are generally well governed regardless of the party in power. The Dems were badly hurt this cycle by very incompetent local governance in NY,CA,MA,IL. Oregon Dems were saved by the highly competent Tina Kotek (the same is true for CT and Lamont). |
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