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Post by r34t on Jul 21, 2024 19:58:41 GMT
& what else was he going to say ? |
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 19:59:16 GMT
Starmer couldn't exactly say "Joe Biden looked senile & had no idea what was going on" could he? Even if it was true about that particular moment. If he thought it was a binary choice then we're in trouble |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 21, 2024 20:00:11 GMT
So far we've had a narrowly failed assassination attempt on Trump and the withdrawal of Biden. Looking forward to the next turn of events. Still only July! Not forgetting a couple of court cases July's shaping up to be an eventful year July is a year now?! No wonder this election campaign seems to be lasting forever  |
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Post by observer on Jul 21, 2024 20:00:37 GMT
A terrible president, manipulated by people in the background such as Obama.
They should be ashamed of what they put him through.
Many voters see this
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Post by graham on Jul 21, 2024 20:03:18 GMT
Seemingly the GOP might try and create some mischief by filing legal challenges against Biden being replaced At the end of the day the moment Biden announced he will not accept nomination for another term the Democrats have to find a replacement. |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 21, 2024 20:03:25 GMT
Starmer couldn't exactly say "Joe Biden looked senile & had no idea what was going on" could he? Even if it was true about that particular moment. If he thought it was a binary choice then we're in trouble Any equivocation would only have been taken one way, diplomatically I don’t see what else he could have said |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 21, 2024 20:04:17 GMT
Seemingly the GOP might try and create some mischief by filing legal challenges against Biden being replaced At the end of the day the moment Biden announced he will not accept nomination for another term the Democrats have to find a replacement. Indeed, I can’t see it going anywhere other than maybe creating a bit of mischief like i said |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 21, 2024 20:04:57 GMT
Starmer couldn't exactly say "Joe Biden looked senile & had no idea what was going on" could he? Even if it was true about that particular moment. If he thought it was a binary choice then we're in trouble Of course, people with early onset dementia or senility have periods of great clarity and periods where they lose their grasp on the world. He could have been quite lucid when he spoke with Starmer. Biden wasnt a bumbling illiterate every time he spoke (even in recent weeks). As we werent in the room, how can we dispute Starmer's verdict?? |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 21, 2024 20:06:15 GMT
Seemingly the GOP might try and create some mischief by filing legal challenges against Biden being replaced At the end of the day the moment Biden announced he will not accept nomination for another term the Democrats have to find a replacement. Also, that could give the unintended impression that they were desperate to keep Biden at the head of the ticket, because they were worried about fighting Harris. Not a good look |
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Post by timmullen on Jul 21, 2024 20:09:20 GMT
odd observation. Harris is a centrist democrat. True… but so was Clinton. In fact, Clinton was well to the right of Biden. It comes down to vibes and on that score Harris gives some Biden voters pause. Her polling is weaker than Biden’s, but this at the very least injects uncertainty into the race. Will be interesting to see how the polling in the rust belt and sun belt compare after this change. The last two national polls to have tested her against Trump, by Ipsos and YouGov show her performing significantly better than Biden - down 2 compared to 6 and all square compared to down 4. |
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 20:10:15 GMT
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Post by norflondon on Jul 21, 2024 20:11:00 GMT
Can/ will Republicans evoke the 25th ammendment on President Biden? Surely they'll say if Biden is too old to run again, he's too old to serve as President...?
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 20:11:51 GMT
True… but so was Clinton. In fact, Clinton was well to the right of Biden. It comes down to vibes and on that score Harris gives some Biden voters pause. Her polling is weaker than Biden’s, but this at the very least injects uncertainty into the race. Will be interesting to see how the polling in the rust belt and sun belt compare after this change. The last two national polls to have tested her against Trump, by Ipsos and YouGov show her performing significantly better than Biden - down 2 compared to 6 and all square compared to down 4. Her negatives aren't baked in yet. They will be. My prediction is she will do comparatively well in the polls and start falling some time after the convention |
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 20:12:19 GMT
Can/ will Republicans evoke the 25th ammendment on President Biden? Surely they'll say if Biden is too old to run again, he's too old to serve as President...? No, it needs Vice President and Cabinet. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 21, 2024 20:13:25 GMT
Seemingly the GOP might try and create some mischief by filing legal challenges against Biden being replaced I don't see how they can. The convention hasn't happened yet, so technically he is not being replaced, he just won't be nominated in the first place. |
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 20:13:47 GMT
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Post by irish observer on Jul 21, 2024 20:14:49 GMT
I too was very disappointed that Biden didnt stand down much earlier as he'd indicated he would be a transitional President. Almost everyone on the Dems side on here was against him standing again I think (happy to be corrected). It's basically as simple as giving the Independents someone who is coherent who they can safely vote for instead of being almost forced to vote for Trump. I think when Biden travelled to Ireland last year he attempted to sell peace again to the Irish by putting in a special envoy to the North. And fair play to him for that. I said the very same to him for having the guts to do so as he's always been a streetfighter from the school of hard knocks and not afraid to bellow some out of it for the greater good less the stupid prick takes some offence for being an idiot and in my time in politics with elected and unelected I've dealt with plenty of them. I endorsed him like that at a state visit to my own home town and gave him credit for his work for decades in the North and he landed it saying he hoped that FDI would hopefully cross the border and then I gave him personal credit for his work over the years as an advocate for epilepsy which he has done himself despite not championing it from the rafters. I have done the same in my time in politics to fight for the little guy like him and those with disabilities and from the poorer side of the street as I have epilepsy myself and I am an advocate too. That has been taken by some idiots at home to mean that I'm saying that he has epilepsy rather than him being an advocate for epilepsy. For that I've been personally attacked and the stupid cunts of public officials in my former local authority could have actually helped people with neurological disorders as a flagship authority and spread it across the country but rather than that give me the cold shoulder and turn the staff against me. Well at least I met Biden and had the balls to speak about people with epilepsy for 15 years in an unpaid capacity unlike some snake-oil politicians who take ownership of certain causes for votes and election victories. I'm sorry he had to bow out like this as a wounded animal but perhaps he could have passed the torch over about 2 months after the state visit to Ireland instead when he went out on a high. A disappinting end to not only his Presidency but also to Obama's as his successor because lets face it in the grand scheme of things Obama wasn't brilliant. All Ireland got from Obama was the Obamaplaza which any Republican US tourist refuses to eat in which enriched one enterprising lad from Offaly. Obama got a World Peace Prize he didn't deserve while keeping Guantanamo Bay open to torture people and exiting early out of Afghanistan which quickly became a failed state lest we comment on the crap outcome he left on Iraq which contributed to the rise of ISIS. Utterly nonsensical foreign and defence policy during his terms in office an abandonment of even Clinton's foreign policy. |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 21, 2024 20:15:34 GMT
Correct in saying that LBJ is the last time an incumbent President eligible to run for another term didn’t end up doing so?
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Post by timmullen on Jul 21, 2024 20:15:41 GMT
Can/ will Republicans evoke the 25th ammendment on President Biden? Surely they'll say if Biden is too old to run again, he's too old to serve as President...? No, it needs Vice President and Cabinet. Johnson in 1968 withdrew after underperforming in the early Primaries, there was no suggestion he should not finish his term, and indeed the Republicans may feel it to their advantage not to give Harris the bully pulpit of the Oval Office. |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 21, 2024 20:15:52 GMT
Can/ will Republicans evoke the 25th ammendment on President Biden? Surely they'll say if Biden is too old to run again, he's too old to serve as President...? That would be a terrible own goal for GOP! |
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