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Post by riccimarsh on Jul 21, 2024 19:30:39 GMT
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 21, 2024 19:31:49 GMT
He generally only regards himself & his immediate circle as having any competence Correction. He regards anyone as being brilliant if they agree with absolutely everything he says. Anyone who contradicts him in any way whatsoever is regarded as an idiot, a crook or a traitor.  |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 21, 2024 19:32:57 GMT
Disaster for Trump. No way he wins against anyone fully in command of their cognitive abilities. The regret on having a candidate in cognitive decline will now entirely fall on the Republicans. Cope harder. As someone who's said that Biden was stupid for ever trying to run for a second term (from the point he was elected), the cope is clearly your own. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Jul 21, 2024 19:34:43 GMT
It's only July, more than enough time for lots of surprises, sudden twists and black swans. So far we've had a narrowly failed assassination attempt on Trump and the withdrawal of Biden. Looking forward to the next turn of events. Still only July! |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 21, 2024 19:36:34 GMT
I too was very disappointed that Biden didnt stand down much earlier as he'd indicated he would be a transitional President. Almost everyone on the Dems side on here was against him standing again I think (happy to be corrected). It's basically as simple as giving the Independents someone who is coherent who they can safely vote for instead of being almost forced to vote for Trump.
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Post by mrpastelito on Jul 21, 2024 19:37:26 GMT
He generally only regards himself & his immediate circle as having any competence Correction. He regards anyone as being brilliant if they agree with absolutely everything he says. Anyone who contradicts him in any way whatsoever is regarded as an idiot, a crook or a traitor. A perfect fit for this forum. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 21, 2024 19:37:34 GMT
He generally only regards himself & his immediate circle as having any competence And he's not too sure about them.
His management style is pretty clear from his term as President. Fire people whether they are good or bad, hire people telling them they are brilliant so much better than the last lot, then denigrate and undermine them, then fire them...and so on.
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Post by r34t on Jul 21, 2024 19:40:43 GMT
Yeah, because the Democrats realising they've made a terrible mistake in keeping Biden for this long, and then all publicly declaring no confidence in him and changing candidate 4 months out from an election doesn't look bad at all. Definitely gives people plenty of confidence in the Democrats. Are you surprised? I'm no Trump fan, but this thread is basically a partisan Democratic board. "democratic board". No need for the capital letter. |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 21, 2024 19:41:16 GMT
Seemingly the GOP might try and create some mischief by filing legal challenges against Biden being replaced
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Post by Sandy on Jul 21, 2024 19:45:36 GMT
As someone who's said that Biden was stupid for ever trying to run for a second term (from the point he was elected), the cope is clearly your own. Nope. To ditch the doolally but inoffensive grandad for somebody as unlikeable as Harris is a massive coup. |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 21, 2024 19:45:37 GMT
I too was very disappointed that Biden didnt stand down much earlier as he'd indicated he would be a transitional President. Almost everyone on the Dems side on here was against him standing again I think (happy to be corrected). It's basically as simple as giving the Independents someone who is coherent who they can safely vote for instead of being almost forced to vote for Trump.It likely won’t be that simple, it maybe could have been if this had been dealt with months ago but for it to happen so late means that there has already been quite a bit of damage done to the Democratic brand. There is time for them to turn it around enough to defeat Trump but it won’t just be a magic snap your fingers situation because Biden has now stepped down, it will take a lot of work |
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Post by adlai52 on Jul 21, 2024 19:45:50 GMT
I don't think Harris can win against Trump, but given the strength of Biden's endorsement of her, and the late time, and the utmost need for Democrat unity right now, I don't see any other option but for the party to really around Harris. She needs to pivot to the centre from tomorrow, and start disavowing all the loony left nonsense that's been coming out of places like California. In fact, picking a load of fights with Newsom on his crank policies would be a goof start. odd observation. Harris is a centrist democrat. True… but so was Clinton. In fact, Clinton was well to the right of Biden. It comes down to vibes and on that score Harris gives some Biden voters pause. Her polling is weaker than Biden’s, but this at the very least injects uncertainty into the race. Will be interesting to see how the polling in the rust belt and sun belt compare after this change. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 21, 2024 19:47:36 GMT
odd observation. Harris is a centrist democrat. True… but so was Clinton. In fact, Clinton was well to the right of Biden. It comes down to vibes and on that score Harris gives some Biden voters pause. Her polling is weaker than Biden’s, but this at the very least injects uncertainty into the race. Will be interesting to see how the polling in the rust belt and sun belt compare after this change. I'd guess well in the sunshine belt but less well in the rust belt |
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 19:48:36 GMT
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Post by mboy on Jul 21, 2024 19:49:29 GMT
I don't think Harris can win against Trump, but given the strength of Biden's endorsement of her, and the late time, and the utmost need for Democrat unity right now, I don't see any other option but for the party to really around Harris. She needs to pivot to the centre from tomorrow, and start disavowing all the loony left nonsense that's been coming out of places like California. In fact, picking a load of fights with Newsom on his crank policies would be a goof start. odd observation. Harris is a centrist democrat. 5 years ago she was, certainly. But she has been very definitely flying behind Biden's left wing since. |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 21, 2024 19:50:21 GMT
I too was very disappointed that Biden didnt stand down much earlier as he'd indicated he would be a transitional President. Almost everyone on the Dems side on here was against him standing again I think (happy to be corrected). It's basically as simple as giving the Independents someone who is coherent who they can safely vote for instead of being almost forced to vote for Trump.It likely won’t be that simple, it maybe could have been if this had been dealt with months ago but for it to happen so late means that there has already been quite a bit of damage done to the Democratic brand. There is time for them to turn it around enough to defeat Trump but it won’t just be a magic snap your fingers situation because Biden has now stepped down, it will take a lot of work No one ever said it would be easy Also, there is just about unanimity that he should have stood down months ago, but we are where we are now. Making the right decision late, is better than not making it at all. And I certainly dont think that this has swung the election. It just makes it competitive again. As things stood, it was a slam dunk for Trump, now it isnt. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 21, 2024 19:51:33 GMT
odd observation. Harris is a centrist democrat. 5 years ago she was, certainly. But she has been very definitely flying behind Biden's left wing since. Biden has a left wing? |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 21, 2024 19:52:53 GMT
It likely won’t be that simple, it maybe could have been if this had been dealt with months ago but for it to happen so late means that there has already been quite a bit of damage done to the Democratic brand. There is time for them to turn it around enough to defeat Trump but it won’t just be a magic snap your fingers situation because Biden has now stepped down, it will take a lot of work No one ever said it would be easy Also, there is just about unanimity that he should have stood down months ago, but we are where we are now. Making the right decision late, is better than not making it at all. And I certainly dont think that this has swung the election. It just makes it competitive again. As things stood, it was a slam dunk for Trump, now it isnt. I’d agree with that, and a party nominee not being selected by primary voters is going to be pretty new territory for modern times so it’ll be interesting to see how well the party can unite behind Harris or even someone else |
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 19:55:08 GMT
It's only July, more than enough time for lots of surprises, sudden twists and black swans. So far we've had a narrowly failed assassination attempt on Trump and the withdrawal of Biden. Looking forward to the next turn of events. Still only July! Not forgetting a couple of court cases July's shaping up to be an eventful year |
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Post by batman on Jul 21, 2024 19:55:18 GMT
Starmer couldn't exactly say "Joe Biden looked senile & had no idea what was going on" could he? Even if it was true about that particular moment. |
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