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Post by mboy on Jul 21, 2024 18:52:10 GMT
I don't think Harris can win against Trump, but given the strength of Biden's endorsement of her, and the late time, and the utmost need for Democrat unity right now, I don't see any other option but for the party to really around Harris.
She needs to pivot to the centre from tomorrow, and start disavowing all the loony left nonsense that's been coming out of places like California. In fact, picking a load of fights with Newsom on his crank policies would be a good start.
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Post by stb12 on Jul 21, 2024 18:52:11 GMT
If he had withdrawn shortly after the debate you might have a point. He has basically been forced out, he didn't really have a choice in the matter. Not so. He could have dug his heels in and refused to resign. As has been discussed widely on the thread, there was no mechanism to "force" him out; he had to be persuaded to stand down. Whilst I agree that it would've been better to do this a couple of weeks ago, he was eventually persuaded of the right course of action for the benefit of the country. All politicians have a degree of hubris, of course or they wouldn't put themselves forward in the first place. However, he has ultimately made or been persuaded to make the right call for the nation. Could anyone, with a straight face, EVER conceive of Trump doing the same, had their situations been reversed??? Losing the support of near enough all senior Democrats basically meant he was fighting an already lost battle in November |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 21, 2024 18:55:46 GMT
Yes, but he COULD have stayed on to fight if he chose to do so. Also, an answer to my final question?  |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 21, 2024 18:59:39 GMT
Yes, but he COULD have stayed on to fight if he chose to do so. Also, an answer to my final question? I think the answer to that is obvious, however I don’t think the way that this has transpired really allows there to be that favourable a contrast in the eyes of the public |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 21, 2024 18:59:55 GMT
Yes, but he COULD have stayed on to fight if he chose to do so. Also, an answer to my final question? Had he tried to stay in the cabinet could have invoked the 25th Amendment and removed him from office. While that wouldn't have removed him from the race it is all but inconceivable that he would have been nominated after that. |
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Post by Sandy on Jul 21, 2024 19:00:40 GMT
Disaster for Trump. No way he wins against anyone fully in command of their cognitive abilities. The regret on having a candidate in cognitive decline will now entirely fall on the Republicans. Cope harder. |
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Post by markgoodair on Jul 21, 2024 19:02:57 GMT
Trump is now the eldest Presidential nominee in US history.
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Post by johnloony on Jul 21, 2024 19:07:48 GMT
Did she say “never”? The report says that she said “and I haven’t been to Europe either”, and the context is about within the last 76 days. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 21, 2024 19:08:21 GMT
Trump is now the eldest Presidential nominee in US history. Such an attack is utterly useless coming from a party that just three weeks ago was happy to nominate someone even older. |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 21, 2024 19:08:57 GMT
Perhaps Dean Phillips should be the nominee. He was the only remotely credible person within the party who realised that Biden needed replacing and had the courage to run against him. Carter could go for a second term. He’s better qualified than Roberta McCain was. |
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 19:12:48 GMT
Disaster for Trump. No way he wins against anyone fully in command of their cognitive abilities. The regret on having a candidate in cognitive decline will now entirely fall on the Republicans. It's a setback because America would never have voted for a senile commander in chief, but Trump's still very much in the race If the Democrats choose someone who can be painted as far left on the culture wars, and this was hard with Biden because he was an old white Catholic man who had said sensible things in the past, then Trump's newly minted centrist stances may be useful. Pre debate no senior Democrats were in favour of ditching Biden despite knowing at least some of the extent of the decline was because they thought Kamala would be worse against Trump. The reason they've changed their mind is not sone dramatic improvement in Kamala's abilities, it's purely the decline with Biden. If they can bypass Harris then Trump's in trouble. But Biden endorsing her may have been his family's final act of malice. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 21, 2024 19:12:52 GMT
If he had withdrawn shortly after the debate you might have a point. He has basically been forced out, he didn't really have a choice in the matter. Not so. He could have dug his heels in and refused to resign. Which is essentially what he was doing. It was the news yesterday that donations had collapsed that forced his hand...or at least forced the hand of the men in the grey stetsons. |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 21, 2024 19:13:48 GMT
This will presumably be the focus of attack from the Democrat campaign from now till election day. hard for the GOP to push back, as that has been their main line of attack for months...
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 19:14:37 GMT
Trump is now the eldest Presidential nominee in US history. Such an attack is utterly useless coming from a party that just three weeks ago was happy to nominate someone even older. Not sure it is. Trump has made age a live issue. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 21, 2024 19:18:07 GMT
I don't think Harris can win against Trump, but given the strength of Biden's endorsement of her, and the late time, and the utmost need for Democrat unity right now, I don't see any other option but for the party to really around Harris. She needs to pivot to the centre from tomorrow, and start disavowing all the loony left nonsense that's been coming out of places like California. In fact, picking a load of fights with Newsom on his crank policies would be a goof start. odd observation. Harris is a centrist democrat. |
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 19:19:12 GMT
This will presumably be the focus of attack from the Democrat campaign from now till election day. hard for the GOP to push back, as that has been their main line of attack for months... Age is an obvious attack line, but THE focus? That would just be reminding people they were prepared to put a senile man in charge of the nuclear arsenal because Orange Man Bad. They really need to fool people that Kamala is capable against copious evidence, and the best way to do that would be to take candidate mental ability or intelligence out of the equation. |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 21, 2024 19:19:44 GMT
Such an attack is utterly useless coming from a party that just three weeks ago was happy to nominate someone even older. Not sure it is. Trump has made age a live issue. Although he has been careful to only really refer to Biden’s competence rather than his age as such, for obvious reasons |
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Post by batman on Jul 21, 2024 19:23:39 GMT
He generally only regards himself & his immediate circle as having any competence
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 21, 2024 19:24:05 GMT
RNC was decent this year, with Trump's speech being a low point. Polling shows Dems are perceived as very split. If it wasn't for Trump this would be a slam dunk Republican win
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Post by cathyc on Jul 21, 2024 19:27:03 GMT
Disaster for Trump. No way he wins against anyone fully in command of their cognitive abilities. The regret on having a candidate in cognitive decline will now entirely fall on the Republicans. It's a setback because America would never have voted for a senile commander in chief, but Trump's still very much in the raceIf the Democrats choose someone who can be painted as far left on the culture wars, and this was hard with Biden because he was an old white Catholic man who had said sensible things in the past, then Trump's newly minted centrist stances may be useful. Pre debate no senior Democrats were in favour of ditching Biden despite knowing at least some of the extent of the decline was because they thought Kamala would be worse against Trump. The reason they've changed their mind is not sone dramatic improvement in Kamala's abilities, it's purely the decline with Biden. If they can bypass Harris then Trump's in trouble. But Biden endorsing her may have been his family's final act of malice. Very droll. |
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