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Post by markgoodair on Jul 21, 2024 18:08:17 GMT
Supporters of the Democratic Party in front of the White House with the slogan "Thanks Joe, it's time to go" want Biden to withdraw from the election race. They got their wish. |
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Post by norflondon on Jul 21, 2024 18:11:38 GMT
I'd expect to see Harris take over as President very soon. Joe has insisted publicly that he will be the Democratic nominee and only God or a 'medical condition' would compel him to bow out...well now good chance he has the latter and if you believe in such things, God seems to be on the side of his opponent To give best chance of the win, Harris has to be an incumbent President. Harris needs to direct policy, even if only for threemonths, to be viable. As predicted by me 3 days ago but Joe should step aside as Pres to to allow Harris time to establish herself and I think he will in the next week or so |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 21, 2024 18:16:19 GMT
Unsurprisingly, Biden has endorsed Kamala.
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Post by greenhert on Jul 21, 2024 18:20:39 GMT
Election day is in just 3 1/2 months' time though-Joe Biden may have left it too late to pull out.
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Post by markgoodair on Jul 21, 2024 18:20:59 GMT
Unsurprisingly, Biden has endorsed Kamala. At this point in the electoral cycle it's the only logical option open to the Democratic Party. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 21, 2024 18:23:07 GMT
Disaster for Trump. No way he wins against anyone fully in command of their cognitive abilities.
The regret on having a candidate in cognitive decline will now entirely fall on the Republicans.
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Post by stb12 on Jul 21, 2024 18:28:37 GMT
Disaster for Trump. No way he wins against anyone fully in command of their cognitive abilities. The regret on having a candidate in cognitive decline will now entirely fall on the Republicans. I don’t know that it’s quite a simple as that, especially with this coming pretty late in the day |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 21, 2024 18:34:26 GMT
"Disaster for Trump" is taking it too far. This is not a good look for the Democrats. They can't have only just found out about Biden's clear cognitive decline, given many of them work closely with him they will have noticed it some time ago. Many of us across an ocean did. It also raises the question as to why he's still capable of being President if he's not capable of running an election campaign. The former is much more rigorous intellectually than the latter.
Yes, looking at the history, and this is something I have studied closely, the last time a Democratic President withdrew the VP almost won, and arguably would have without the borderline treasonous shenanigans of the Nixon campaign. Therefore, Trump can't rest on his laurels now that new blood and vigour has been injected into the race, but, I repeat, it isn't "a disaster for Trump". He has several new lines of attack now.
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Post by Jack on Jul 21, 2024 18:36:26 GMT
Disaster for Trump. No way he wins against anyone fully in command of their cognitive abilities. The regret on having a candidate in cognitive decline will now entirely fall on the Republicans. Yeah, because the Democrats realising they've made a terrible mistake in keeping Biden for this long, and then all publicly declaring no confidence in him and changing candidate 4 months out from an election doesn't look bad at all. Definitely gives people plenty of confidence in the Democrats. |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 21, 2024 18:36:43 GMT
A brilliant example of (eventually) putting country before personal ambition. Quite the contrast!
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 21, 2024 18:38:19 GMT
Disaster for Trump. No way he wins against anyone fully in command of their cognitive abilities. The regret on having a candidate in cognitive decline will now entirely fall on the Republicans. Yeah, because the Democrats realising they've made a terrible mistake in keeping Biden for this long, and then all publicly declaring no confidence in him and changing candidate 4 months out from an election doesn't look bad at all. Definitely gives people plenty of confidence in the Democrats. Are you surprised? I'm no Trump fan, but this thread is basically a partisan Democratic board. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 21, 2024 18:41:50 GMT
A brilliant example of (eventually) putting country before personal ambition. Quite the contrast! He did no such thing. He was forced out by basically his entire party telling him to go, thus making it impossible for him to win. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 21, 2024 18:44:22 GMT
A brilliant example of (eventually) putting country before personal ambition. Quite the contrast! If he had withdrawn shortly after the debate you might have a point. He has basically been forced out, he didn't really have a choice in the matter. |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jul 21, 2024 18:44:38 GMT
A brilliant example of (eventually) putting country before personal ambition. Quite the contrast! He did no such thing. He was forced out by basically his entire party telling him to go, thus making it impossible for him to win. His family should have encouraged him to step down a long while back |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 21, 2024 18:44:59 GMT
"Disaster for Trump" is taking it too far. This is not a good look for the Democrats. They can't have only just found out about Biden's clear cognitive decline, given many of them work closely with him they will have noticed it some time ago. Many of us across an ocean did. It also raises the question as to why he's still capable of being President if he's not capable of running an election campaign. The former is much more rigorous intellectually than the latter. Yes, looking at the history, and this is something I have studied closely, the last time a Democratic President withdrew the VP almost won, and arguably would have without the borderline treasonous shenanigans of the Nixon campaign. Therefore, Trump can't rest on his laurels now that new blood and vigour has been injected into the race, but, I repeat, it isn't "a disaster for Trump". He has several new lines of attack now. And having proven that don't care about democracy by ditching the guy who won the primaries the Democrats can hardly be taken serious when they call Trump a threat to democracy. |
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Post by swanarcadian on Jul 21, 2024 18:46:38 GMT
Speaking personally, whenever I’ve thought of Biden over the past two months, I’ve almost automatically been reminded he is nearly three years older than my late father was.
For that reason alone I’m glad he’s stepping down. He should have announced this months ago.
It’s certainly a game changer, but it’s far too presumptuous to say for certain that this means it’s necessarily over for Trump.
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 21, 2024 18:47:59 GMT
Disaster for Trump. No way he wins against anyone fully in command of their cognitive abilities. The regret on having a candidate in cognitive decline will now entirely fall on the Republicans. Yeah, because the Democrats realising they've made a terrible mistake in keeping Biden for this long, and then all publicly declaring no confidence in him and changing candidate 4 months out from an election doesn't look bad at all. Definitely gives people plenty of confidence in the Democrats. You think any of that is relevant? This is all about the campaign in the last few months. For Independents, who win or lose you an election, they've got to break for Trump for him to win, and there's already plenty of evidence that they're wary of doing so, even if they've recently stated preference going that way, mainly because Biden has been putting them off by looking incapable. The one thing that Trump cannot do is exude competence, because he's incapable of doing that. All the Dems need is anyone who can be less of a risk than Trump, and that's a low, low bar to get over. The debates will be hilarious/excruciating depending on your point of view. |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 21, 2024 18:48:41 GMT
A brilliant example of (eventually) putting country before personal ambition. Quite the contrast! If he had withdrawn shortly after the debate you might have a point. He has basically been forced out, he didn't really have a choice in the matter. Not so. He could have dug his heels in and refused to resign. As has been discussed widely on the thread, there was no mechanism to "force" him out; he had to be persuaded to stand down. Whilst I agree that it would've been better to do this a couple of weeks ago, he was eventually persuaded of the right course of action for the benefit of the country. All politicians have a degree of hubris, of course or they wouldn't put themselves forward in the first place. However, he has ultimately made or been persuaded to make the right call for the nation. Could anyone, with a straight face, EVER conceive of Trump doing the same, had their situations been reversed??? |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 21, 2024 18:49:40 GMT
Perhaps Dean Phillips should be the nominee. He was the only remotely credible person within the party who realised that Biden needed replacing and had the courage to run against him.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jul 21, 2024 18:51:08 GMT
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