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Post by carlton43 on Jul 21, 2024 8:46:19 GMT
I don't know or fully understand the American scene, but would have thought Harris would be utter poison to a majority of white males and make a Trump victory pretty well a certainty. |
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Post by timmullen on Jul 21, 2024 10:02:09 GMT
I don't know or fully understand the American scene, but would have thought Harris would be utter poison to a majority of white males and make a Trump victory pretty well a certainty. Harris has an advantage similar to Obama, she’s so comparatively inexperienced she’s got little baggage; there’s nothing glaringly controversial from her time in California and she hadn’t been in the Senate long enough to develop anything other than a mainstream Democratic voting record. And, as even outsiders looking in like Lord Ashcroft have pointed out, the majority of the electorate is no longer Republican or Democratic, it’s pro or anti Trump, so her record becomes even less of an issue. She’s not got the pre determined visceral love her/hate her that Hillary Clinton had, and there’s never been a hint of ethical challenges like HRC’s emails, so there’s every reason to suggest she performs well in the current environment. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 21, 2024 10:09:16 GMT
I don't know or fully understand the American scene, but would have thought Harris would be utter poison to a majority of white males and make a Trump victory pretty well a certainty. Harris has an advantage similar to Obama, she’s so comparatively inexperienced she’s got little baggage; there’s nothing glaringly controversial from her time in California and she hadn’t been in the Senate long enough to develop anything other than a mainstream Democratic voting record. And, as even outsiders looking in like Lord Ashcroft have pointed out, the majority of the electorate is no longer Republican or Democratic, it’s pro or anti Trump, so her record becomes even less of an issue. She’s not got the pre determined visceral love her/hate her that Hillary Clinton had, and there’s never been a hint of ethical challenges like HRC’s emails, so there’s every reason to suggest she performs well in the current environment. Thank you. That was very helpful to me Tim. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 21, 2024 10:25:24 GMT
I don't know or fully understand the American scene, but would have thought Harris would be utter poison to a majority of white males and make a Trump victory pretty well a certainty. Harris has an advantage similar to Obama, she’s so comparatively inexperienced she’s got little baggage; there’s nothing glaringly controversial from her time in California and she hadn’t been in the Senate long enough to develop anything other than a mainstream Democratic voting record. And, as even outsiders looking in like Lord Ashcroft have pointed out, the majority of the electorate is no longer Republican or Democratic, it’s pro or anti Trump, so her record becomes even less of an issue. She’s not got the pre determined visceral love her/hate her that Hillary Clinton had, and there’s never been a hint of ethical challenges like HRC’s emails, so there’s every reason to suggest she performs well in the current environment. These are her advantages, but on the flip side she lacks Biden's genuine appeal in the Mid West swing states. To some degree this can be mitigated with the right running mate but it is still a major weakness. |
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 10:43:48 GMT
Harris has an advantage similar to Obama, she’s so comparatively inexperienced she’s got little baggage; there’s nothing glaringly controversial from her time in California and she hadn’t been in the Senate long enough to develop anything other than a mainstream Democratic voting record. And, as even outsiders looking in like Lord Ashcroft have pointed out, the majority of the electorate is no longer Republican or Democratic, it’s pro or anti Trump, so her record becomes even less of an issue. She’s not got the pre determined visceral love her/hate her that Hillary Clinton had, and there’s never been a hint of ethical challenges like HRC’s emails, so there’s every reason to suggest she performs well in the current environment. These are her advantages, but on the flip side she lacks Biden's genuine appeal in the Mid West swing states. To some degree this can be mitigated with the right running mate but it is still a major weakness. And it seems that there is the right running mate for the mid west, he's just on Trump's team |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jul 21, 2024 11:14:32 GMT
Supporters of the Democratic Party in front of the White House with the slogan "Thanks Joe, it's time to go" want Biden to withdraw from the election race.
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Post by timmullen on Jul 21, 2024 11:18:11 GMT
These are her advantages, but on the flip side she lacks Biden's genuine appeal in the Mid West swing states. To some degree this can be mitigated with the right running mate but it is still a major weakness. And it seems that there is the right running mate for the mid west, he's just on Trump's team However what she might arguably lose in the Midwest may be compensated for by pushing African American turnout in Georgia back to Obama-style levels, may even make North Carolina in play, and as a woman of colour could bring Arizona and Nevada back by reinvigorating enthusiasm. Possible running mates that compensate in the Midwest - Gretchen Whitmer, Tim Walz has been high profile on the Democratic rebuttal team in Milwaukee this week, Pete Buttigieg performed surprisingly well in the early primaries four years ago and seems to have had a non controversial time as Secretary of Transportation. More widely Chris Coons is a very moderate Senator who set up the “get things done” caucus that’s got legislation through by successfully bringing not just obvious Senators like Collins and Murkowski but Cornyn, Rubio and others along. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 21, 2024 11:24:08 GMT
Aaron Sorkin has a bats article in the New York Times arguing that the Democrats should nominate Mitt Romney.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 21, 2024 11:29:08 GMT
Aaron Sorkin has a bats article in the New York Times arguing that the Democrats should nominate Mitt Romney.
I wasn't entirely sure if he was serious or if he was saying this is how he would write a West Wing type episode for the best entertainment value.
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Post by timmullen on Jul 21, 2024 11:30:39 GMT
Aaron Sorkin has a bats article in the New York Times arguing that the Democrats should nominate Mitt Romney. Aaron, to paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen, “I knew Jeb Bartlett, Jeb Bartlett was my friend, Senator Romney you’re no Jeb Bartlett”. |
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Post by iain on Jul 21, 2024 11:56:02 GMT
These are her advantages, but on the flip side she lacks Biden's genuine appeal in the Mid West swing states. To some degree this can be mitigated with the right running mate but it is still a major weakness. And it seems that there is the right running mate for the mid west, he's just on Trump's team JD Vance has run for election once, and handily it was in a Midwest state. He did very poorly. The evidence we have so far is that he is a very weak candidate in the Midwest. The reality of course is that Vance’s appeal or lack thereof anywhere is basically inconsequential, as virtually no-one is going to be voting on the identity of Trump’s VP pick. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 21, 2024 11:58:54 GMT
No, we *don't* want Buttigieg as a running mate for Harris.
Save for Newsom (who does have virtues but is also another Californian, which wipes all that out) almost any plausible pick would be better.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 21, 2024 12:02:35 GMT
Utterly shocking to see motorways and railways largely serving Belfast and its extensive commuter belt rather than the sparsely populated west of the province. Dungannon and Omagh towns have a population of 40,000 between them. And there used to be a "southern" railway route from Londonderry to Belfast which served a number of significant towns. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 21, 2024 12:06:51 GMT
And it seems that there is the right running mate for the mid west, he's just on Trump's team However what she might arguably lose in the Midwest may be compensated for by pushing African American turnout in Georgia back to Obama-style levels, may even make North Carolina in play, and as a woman of colour could bring Arizona and Nevada back by reinvigorating enthusiasm. Possible running mates that compensate in the Midwest - Gretchen Whitmer, Tim Walz has been high profile on the Democratic rebuttal team in Milwaukee this week, Pete Buttigieg performed surprisingly well in the early primaries four years ago and seems to have had a non controversial time as Secretary of Transportation. More widely Chris Coons is a very moderate Senator who set up the “get things done” caucus that’s got legislation through by successfully bringing not just obvious Senators like Collins and Murkowski but Cornyn, Rubio and others along. Josh Shapiro seems the obvious choice. |
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Post by timmullen on Jul 21, 2024 12:55:25 GMT
However what she might arguably lose in the Midwest may be compensated for by pushing African American turnout in Georgia back to Obama-style levels, may even make North Carolina in play, and as a woman of colour could bring Arizona and Nevada back by reinvigorating enthusiasm. Possible running mates that compensate in the Midwest - Gretchen Whitmer, Tim Walz has been high profile on the Democratic rebuttal team in Milwaukee this week, Pete Buttigieg performed surprisingly well in the early primaries four years ago and seems to have had a non controversial time as Secretary of Transportation. More widely Chris Coons is a very moderate Senator who set up the “get things done” caucus that’s got legislation through by successfully bringing not just obvious Senators like Collins and Murkowski but Cornyn, Rubio and others along. Josh Shapiro seems the obvious choice. The feeling from what I’ve read is read is he may want to keep out until his second term as Governor, although one suggestion from a Pol Sci professor from Illinois was not to totally rule out Bob Casey getting the VP nod and dropping out of the Senate race to be replaced by Shapiro. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 21, 2024 13:43:03 GMT
Aaron Sorkin has a bats article in the New York Times arguing that the Democrats should nominate Mitt Romney.
I wasn't entirely sure if he was serious or if he was saying this is how he would write a West Wing type episode for the best entertainment value.
Many many people in politics - from elected members down to nerds - could do well to let go of the West Wing. It's perhaps taken the wheel of too many decisions over the years. |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jul 21, 2024 16:05:57 GMT
Taking a bullet for democracy
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 21, 2024 17:46:55 GMT
Biden withdraws  |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 21, 2024 18:02:08 GMT
Biden withdraws I was watching the news on BBC1 and the newsreader interrupted the normal flow of the programme by saying that Joe Biden had tweeted to say that he was going to address the nation on TV later in the week. She didn’t say anything about him withdrawing, or any more dtils. It’s as if someone told the newsreader about the tweet without telling the context. |
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Post by right on Jul 21, 2024 18:04:29 GMT
Biden has no intention right now of stepping down. This was posted an hr ago! I suspect Biden himself doesn't know how to post on Twitter. If Biden drops out, Biden's team will be firing on all cylinders until the very moment he drops out when they will be saying of course they always thought someone else would stand a better chance. |
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