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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 11, 2020 17:13:51 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 11, 2020 18:19:56 GMT
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Post by Richard Allen on Aug 11, 2020 18:21:29 GMT
That is her EU hostage video. |
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Post by leon on Aug 11, 2020 21:45:06 GMT
Amidst all the furore about a supposedly rigged presidential election people need to recognise that protests and agitation by a few thousand mainly educated young citizens in the bigger cities are not representative of the wider Belarusian people . Comrade Lukashenka commands strong support in rural areas (still predominantly collectivised agri-communes) and among industrial workers ( 80% of industrial enterprises are state controlled) . These folk are the heartland of Belarus and I still believe support President Lukashenka in large numbers ; being well aware that 'liberalisation' and 'reform' means either Ukrainian/Russian style gangster capitalism or Western style neo-liberal lunacy and subsequent de-industrialisation and mass unemployment . I would counsel those who are agitating for change in Belarus to be very careful what they wish for . This is easily disproven if you had bothered to search for untampered results that you can find all over Twitter and the internet. Tsikhanovskaya is getting 30-50% of the vote in rural areas and small towns while absolutely smashing it in Minsk, large cities and with expatriates by getting 65-95%. If the results were counted fairly I’d wager it would be Tsikhanovskaya 55-60% Lukashenka 35-40% others 5%. |
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Post by peterski on Aug 12, 2020 8:59:43 GMT
I consider supposedly 'untampered' results leaked onto social media to have about equal veracity to the ludicrous official results issued by the electoral commission . The truth is we don't really know the actual result and everything is just supposition.
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Post by johng on Aug 12, 2020 9:20:45 GMT
I consider supposedly 'untampered' results leaked onto social media to have about equal veracity to the ludicrous official results issued by the electoral commission . The truth is we don't really know the actual result and everything is just supposition. Absolute nonsense. If Lukashenko is struggling to get above 50% in the rural east, he certainly didn't come anywhere near winning the election. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 12, 2020 10:05:29 GMT
It's notable that Konstantin Zatulin, one of the United Russia hardliners, has said that the election results "don't inspire confidence", said that confirming Lukashenko's vote was "like reading tea leaves", and called him "deranged".
Is the Kremlin flying a kite?
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Post by peterski on Aug 12, 2020 10:17:23 GMT
Lukashenka is not Putin's puppet and his regime does not subsist on the benevolence of Russian largesse despite what much Western propaganda perpetuates. The opposition forces in Belarus may have noble goals in mind but they are easily manipulated by ...shall we say 'foreign actors' who most certainly do not have the best interests of Belarus at heart.
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Post by neilm on Aug 12, 2020 13:43:04 GMT
Something like 10% of the world's linen comes from Belarus.
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Post by greenchristian on Aug 12, 2020 14:26:48 GMT
Lukashenka is not Putin's puppet and his regime does not subsist on the benevolence of Russian largesse despite what much Western propaganda perpetuates. The opposition forces in Belarus may have noble goals in mind but they are easily manipulated by ...shall we say 'foreign actors' who most certainly do not have the best interests of Belarus at heart. You're accusing the opposition of being de facto puppets of Putin?  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 14:29:32 GMT
Lukashenka is not Putin's puppet and his regime does not subsist on the benevolence of Russian largesse despite what much Western propaganda perpetuates. The opposition forces in Belarus may have noble goals in mind but they are easily manipulated by ...shall we say 'foreign actors' who most certainly do not have the best interests of Belarus at heart. I don't know what definition of "best interest" you're using, but I can't imagine any definition includes exiling political opponents, complete crushing of any descent and extrajudicial executions |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Aug 12, 2020 16:38:04 GMT
This is horrific but also inspiring. I do wonder what Lukashenko thinks of this open defiance.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 12, 2020 21:57:42 GMT
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 12, 2020 23:28:18 GMT
Well! Blanks just don't have the stopping power do they? |
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Post by leon on Aug 13, 2020 0:40:10 GMT
I consider supposedly 'untampered' results leaked onto social media to have about equal veracity to the ludicrous official results issued by the electoral commission . The truth is we don't really know the actual result and everything is just supposition. I'm sure Belarussian poll workers are tripping over each other for the opportunity to rig the election against the president. |
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Post by neilm on Aug 13, 2020 9:16:30 GMT
Lukashenka is not Putin's puppet and his regime does not subsist on the benevolence of Russian largesse despite what much Western propaganda perpetuates. The opposition forces in Belarus may have noble goals in mind but they are easily manipulated by ...shall we say 'foreign actors' who most certainly do not have the best interests of Belarus at heart. You're accusing the opposition of being de facto puppets of Putin? This isn't an unreasonable position. I'm aware of at least one consultancy that is telling its clients that. |
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 13, 2020 10:51:34 GMT
Of course such assessments pre-suppose that "the opposition" is some sort of monolith, when likely all they totally agree on is getting rid of Lukashenko?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 13, 2020 20:21:28 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Aug 14, 2020 3:10:55 GMT
You're accusing the opposition of being de facto puppets of Putin? This isn't an unreasonable position. I'm aware of at least one consultancy that is telling its clients that. Putin is certainly aware, that most of the opposition is hostile to him and as a result doesn't want them to take over power. But he could encourage and abuse them tacitly in order to blackmail Lukashenko. Either he will disappear or he'll be Putin's puppet - tertium non datur. |
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Post by ibfc on Aug 14, 2020 3:33:01 GMT
Belarus definitely has a large pro Russian section of its electorate and if they weren’t also backing Lukashenko, he should be polling in the teens which is clearly not the case. The Putin Lukashenko relationship is based on portraying cosmetic differences to get the latter cover from the West. Lukashenko by his very nature will probably be loyal to Mother Russia even if Ivan the terrible takes over.
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