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Post by hullenedge on May 9, 2024 12:47:27 GMT
November was not the ideal month for polling. The borough elections were always held on 1st November unless that day fell on a Sunday. Cross party agreement to move these elections to the Spring.
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Post by The Bishop on May 9, 2024 12:55:05 GMT
Ah, had been wondering if that explained it.
Did some other lower level councils carry on voting in November after that?
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Post by hullenedge on May 9, 2024 13:05:48 GMT
Ah, had been wondering if that explained it. Did some other lower level councils carry on voting in November after that? Only by-elections. The counties and districts polled in March or April and then moved to April or May in 1949. (Polling was staggered throughout the week for the counties and districts but boroughs always voted on a Thursday from 1949). |
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Post by hullenedge on May 10, 2024 13:31:15 GMT
There is a bizarre exception (post 1948) of a borough not voting on a Thursday. Northampton CB's boundaries were extended in the mid-60s to allow for growth and this required a new set of ward boundaries. Three proposals were submitted - Tory, Labour and the Town Clerk's. There was no agreement on the scheme so an inquiry was held (Jack Dunnett representing Labour) and the May 1965 elections were postponed. The delayed municipal elections, on new ward boundaries, took place on Tuesday 23rd November. To the surprise of many (opinion polls showed national Labour leads of 4, 6.5 and 18.5%) the Conservatives stormed to victory by 22 seats to 14 albeit on a turnout of 30%(expected totals after election of aldermen 29 vs 19, Labour had controlled the old council by 25 vs 23). Jill Knight was the highest polling successful candidate (over 600 votes ahead of her Tory running mates). Articles were written about the inconsistencies between polls and municipal elections (the Tories were on a roll with by-election gains) and perhaps Reggie Paget could lose his seat. He didn't but Frank Soskice was soon removed as Home Sec partly because of his mishandling of the Northampton boundaries.
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Post by The Bishop on May 13, 2024 10:05:45 GMT
We had a rather more recent example in September 2010, with Exeter and Norwich going to the polls after previous plans to move to unitary status were shelved.
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Post by afleitch on Nov 13, 2024 14:01:10 GMT
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Post by john07 on Nov 14, 2024 1:50:18 GMT
Also note Frank Hatton who later became Labour MP for Exchange, then Moss Side, though not for long as he died in office causing the by-election of 1978 which was won by George Morton for Labour (Morton is still alive though not heard of in politics for many years) I knew both Frank Hatton and George Morton very well. The first campaign I worked in was Hulme ward in a by-election in Manchester Exchange in 1973 that was unusually held on a Wednesday. Frank Hatton was the Labour candidate and the main opponent was the Liberal, my politics tutor from Manchester, Michael Steed. There was a group of us from the University including Nick Brown (later Labour chief whip) and Colin Boyd (prosecutor in the Lockerbie trial). George Morton was was one of the party organisers for Hulme and represented the Division on the Greater Manchester Council. He was an Architect/Planner for the City Council and couldn't sit on the Manchester District Council. By the February 1974 election, Exchange constituency had gone. Hulme ward went into Moss Side and tilted it from a Conservative marginal to a Labour marginal. Hatton had stood in Moss Side in 1970 and lost by 1,713 votes. The Liberals put up a candidate in 1974, another of my lecturers: William Wallace. Hatton won by 2,392 votes. Back then Chorlton and Alexandra (later Whalley Range) wards were very safe Conservative. I recall coming back to the Hulme Labour club very confident after canvassing. I was then shown the returns for Chorlton and Alexandra! In the end it was Labour Hulme and Moss Side (with low turnouts) against Tory Chorlton and Alexandra (high turnouts). Labour-leaning Lloyd Street ward was likely to decide the outcome depending on turnout. Lloyd Street covered the area around the former Maine Road stadium. By October 1974, Moss Side became somewhat safer for Labour with Hatton winning comfortably. Within weeks of his re-election, Hatton was diagosed with terminal cancer and died in May 1978 aged 56. I do remember when we had a trip to the Commons organised by Andrew Bennett MP and seeing Frank sat on the Terrace with his wife. He looked very ill by then. George Morton was selected to replace Hatton and was elected in July 1978. George was re-elected in 1979 but was later convicted of an offence in a public toilet. He retained his seat but left Parliament in 1983 after Moss Side constituency disappeared. George was always very quiet, so it is highly likely that he would have missed out anyway in the 'car crash' election in 1983. He returned to his former job as an Architect/Planner. |
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Post by redvers on Nov 16, 2024 17:50:59 GMT
Dare I ask if anyone has anything on Easthampstead Rural District (pretty much the present-day Bracknell Forest)?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 16, 2024 18:45:13 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 16, 2024 22:19:36 GMT
I took delivery of my copy of this today from Amazon (total cost £7.32 - most of which was postage). I recognised the front cover and have definitely seen this book before (possibly even owned a copy in the past) |
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Post by cathyc on Nov 16, 2024 22:48:00 GMT
Dare I ask if anyone has anything on Easthampstead Rural District (pretty much the present-day Bracknell Forest)? 1971 Binfield (2) Ann Springman Conservative 393 Evelyn Hide Conservative 318 David Excell Labour 96 Bernard White Labour 68 Garth (3) William Lindop Labour 549 James Pocknee Labour 537 Arthur Wort Labour 510 Gordon Rimes Conservative 297 Peter Harris Conservative 296 Great Hollands-Wildridings (3) Jeananne Shillcock Labour 878 Anthony Mahoney Labour 818 Alan Everett Labour 815 David Lamb Conservative 583 Margaret Deacock Conservative 491 Herbert Clarke Conservative 459 Old Bracknell (3) William Harvey Labour 622 Stanley Mason Labour 622 Patrick Hoey Labour 608 Bride Kempton Conservative 470 Selwyn Radcliffe Conservative 418 Archie Matthews Conservative 398 Con 21, Lab 18, Ind 3, Lib 2 |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 17, 2024 7:36:07 GMT
Dare I ask if anyone has anything on Easthampstead Rural District (pretty much the present-day Bracknell Forest)? 1971 Binfield (2) Ann Springman Conservative 393 Evelyn Hide Conservative 318 David Excell Labour 96 Bernard White Labour 68 Garth (3) William Lindop Labour 549 James Pocknee Labour 537 Arthur Wort Labour 510 Gordon Rimes Conservative 297 Peter Harris Conservative 296 Great Hollands-Wildridings (3) Jeananne Shillcock Labour 878 Anthony Mahoney Labour 818 Alan Everett Labour 815 David Lamb Conservative 583 Margaret Deacock Conservative 491 Herbert Clarke Conservative 459 Old Bracknell (3) William Harvey Labour 622 Stanley Mason Labour 622 Patrick Hoey Labour 608 Bride Kempton Conservative 470 Selwyn Radcliffe Conservative 418 Archie Matthews Conservative 398 Con 21, Lab 18, Ind 3, Lib 2 I wonder if David Excell put these results in a spreadsheet? |
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Post by Peter Wilkinson on Nov 17, 2024 7:55:19 GMT
1971 Binfield (2) Ann Springman Conservative 393 Evelyn Hide Conservative 318 David Excell Labour 96 Bernard White Labour 68 Garth (3) William Lindop Labour 549 James Pocknee Labour 537 Arthur Wort Labour 510 Gordon Rimes Conservative 297 Peter Harris Conservative 296 Great Hollands-Wildridings (3) Jeananne Shillcock Labour 878 Anthony Mahoney Labour 818 Alan Everett Labour 815 David Lamb Conservative 583 Margaret Deacock Conservative 491 Herbert Clarke Conservative 459 Old Bracknell (3) William Harvey Labour 622 Stanley Mason Labour 622 Patrick Hoey Labour 608 Bride Kempton Conservative 470 Selwyn Radcliffe Conservative 418 Archie Matthews Conservative 398 Con 21, Lab 18, Ind 3, Lib 2 I wonder if David Excell put these results in a spreadsheet? Why? Was Excell an accountant or bookkeeper, who would be used to entering text and figures into a ledger or onto specially printed lined paper? And were candidates supposed to be reckoned as credit or as debit items? |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 17, 2024 7:57:59 GMT
I wonder if David Excell put these results in a spreadsheet? Why? Was Excell an accountant or bookkeeper, who would be used to entering text and figures into a ledger or onto specially printed lined paper? And were candidates supposed to be reckoned as credit or as debit items?
Many candidates would be debit items.
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Post by Peter Wilkinson on Nov 17, 2024 8:22:40 GMT
Why? Was Excell an accountant or bookkeeper, who would be used to entering text and figures into a ledger or onto specially printed lined paper? And were candidates supposed to be reckoned as credit or as debit items? Many candidates would be debit items.
Ah! So Excell was both a keen psephologist and a programming pioneer, whose efforts would only be recognised by Microsoft more than a decade after his determination to immortalise the results of local elections in which he had been a losing candidate had spurred him on to developing a computerised version of what had previously only been known as a financial tool.  |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 17, 2024 8:49:09 GMT
Many candidates would be debit items.
Ah! So Excell was both a keen psephologist and a programming pioneer, whose efforts would only be recognised by Microsoft more than a decade after his determination to immortalise the results of local elections in which he had been a losing candidate had spurred him on to developing a computerised version of what had previously only been known as a financial tool. Exactly.  |
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Post by john07 on Nov 17, 2024 14:49:06 GMT
Many candidates would be debit items.
Ah! So Excell was both a keen psephologist and a programming pioneer, whose efforts would only be recognised by Microsoft more than a decade after his determination to immortalise the results of local elections in which he had been a losing candidate had spurred him on to developing a computerised version of what had previously only been known as a financial tool. No he pinched the idea from Fred VisiCalc. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Nov 17, 2024 15:21:50 GMT
It's a shame he didn't get 123 votes.
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Post by November_Rain on Nov 17, 2024 16:56:10 GMT
It's a shame he didn't get 123 votes. Surely he'd get a nice Free Office  |
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