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Post by rivers10 on Aug 19, 2020 14:14:24 GMT
Operation blame Blair going well for Scottish Unionists I see
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Post by afleitch on Aug 19, 2020 14:29:16 GMT
Operation blame Blair going well for Scottish Unionists I see And we haven't quite fully Brexited yet. Hopefully that can push Yes a bit higher still.
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cogload
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Post by cogload on Aug 19, 2020 15:05:37 GMT
The government will not be granting a s30 next year and I would imagine that under the cover of various pieces of legislation the knife will be taken to a range of Holyrood "interests".
What this does in the longer term I have no idea.
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Post by rivers10 on Aug 19, 2020 15:06:06 GMT
Operation blame Blair going well for Scottish Unionists I see And we haven't quite fully Brexited yet. Hopefully that can push Yes a bit higher still. Oh I'm sure the Tories will come up with another bone headed idea to help push the Indy cause and our resident Scots Tories will blame me for pointing out that they're making things worse
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Post by afleitch on Aug 19, 2020 16:25:09 GMT
The government will not be granting a s30 next year and I would imagine that under the cover of various pieces of legislation the knife will be taken to a range of Holyrood "interests". What this does in the longer term I have no idea. I think you can guess what hacking away at devolution will do.
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Post by afleitch on Aug 19, 2020 16:45:16 GMT
ComRes with a poll with Yes at 54%
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Post by johng on Aug 19, 2020 16:45:55 GMT
And a second poll on independence today.
So the latest is (all for yes): Panelbase - 55-45 Yougov 53-47 SavantaComRes 54-46
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Post by clyde1998 on Aug 19, 2020 17:06:07 GMT
Savanta ComRes: Holyrood VI SNP 51/43 Con 24/21 Lab 17/16 Grn -/10 Lib 6/8
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Post by johng on Aug 19, 2020 18:37:27 GMT
Savanta ComRes: Holyrood VISNP 51/43 Con 24/21 Lab 17/16 Grn -/10 Lib 6/8 On UNS, that would mean an SNP majority according to the calculator I used.
SNP - 66
Cons - 26
Lab - 19
Green - 10
Lib Dem - 8
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cogload
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Post by cogload on Aug 20, 2020 7:02:52 GMT
The government will not be granting a s30 next year and I would imagine that under the cover of various pieces of legislation the knife will be taken to a range of Holyrood "interests". What this does in the longer term I have no idea. I think you can guess what hacking away at devolution will do. What? The gamble is that people will shrug their shoulders.
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Post by johng on Aug 20, 2020 10:10:24 GMT
I don't think the SNP will allow people to shrug their shoulders.
They will frame it as an attack on Scotland and Scottish institutions.
The problem for the rabid unionists on this site is that the Conservative and *cough* Unionist *cough* party is actually the most Scottish nationalist of them all. They are blind to it though.
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Post by cibwr on Aug 20, 2020 10:51:18 GMT
Unless something drastic changes it is looking like the settled will of the Scottish People is for independence.... if the SNP get a majority or a majority of the vote in the upcoming election then it would be an outrage not to grant a referendum.
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 20, 2020 11:50:07 GMT
Its getting there, but I would say "settled will" would be polling consistently in 60% plus territory.
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Post by cogload on Aug 20, 2020 11:50:27 GMT
I don't think the SNP will allow people to shrug their shoulders. They will frame it as an attack on Scotland and Scottish institutions. The problem for the rabid unionists on this site is that the Conservative and *cough* Unionist *cough* party is actually the most Scottish nationalist of them all. They are blind to it though. By the end of the year if the proposed legislation in regards to "protecting the UK single market" passes all Holyrood will effectively be in charge of spending a few quid and swimming pools. The same with Cardiff. Johnson won't grant a s30 and I can see huge amounts of Constitutional fiddling on the horizon (how about a bill to make all referendums reserved with a 66% majority requirement...). There is a depression looming with the main counter cyclical spending taking place in England under the guise of planning law relaxation. The jobs will be South of the border. In the meantime there is a looming collapse in tax revenue in Scotland so the begging bowl wil come out. You want cash says the Treasury? Sure.. sign here with huge strings attached. The changes in University funding are but a beginning. And what can the SNP do?
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Post by robbienicoll on Aug 20, 2020 12:10:54 GMT
Unless something drastic changes it is looking like the settled will of the Scottish People is for independence.... if the SNP get a majority or a majority of the vote in the upcoming election then it would be an outrage not to grant a referendum. Settled will is too strong as it's essentially a popularity contest between Nicola and Boris - there is only one winner there. It's instead more people being willing to consider the prospect of independence even amongst those who were vehemently against it in 2014. The test in ensuring this new support remains with independence is laying out how it will look because there are many aspects of the major talking points in 2014 (currency, BBC, monarchy) which I can see causing divisions if/when a referendum is confirmed.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Aug 20, 2020 13:53:37 GMT
Unless something drastic changes it is looking like the settled will of the Scottish People is for independence.... if the SNP get a majority or a majority of the vote in the upcoming election then it would be an outrage not to grant a referendum. Don't get carried away. It ain't over. Not by a long shot.
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Post by jollyroger93 on Aug 20, 2020 13:59:18 GMT
Unless something drastic changes it is looking like the settled will of the Scottish People is for independence.... if the SNP get a majority or a majority of the vote in the upcoming election then it would be an outrage not to grant a referendum. How are a series of polls during a global pandemic with an economic crisis about to occur lead to the settled will of the people?
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Post by cibwr on Aug 20, 2020 18:11:45 GMT
The trend is very clear though, and how long can Westminster claim legitimacy when the Scottish People vote otherwise.... the next Scottish Parliament elections will be a referendum on the Union. The tories will ensure that it is and they will lose.
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Post by jollyroger93 on Aug 20, 2020 18:23:34 GMT
The trend is very clear though, and how long can Westminster claim legitimacy when the Scottish People vote otherwise.... the next Scottish Parliament elections will be a referendum on the Union. The tories will ensure that it is and they will lose. Can I borrow your crystal ball? ππ we have no idea what will happen next May, itβs extremely unwise to make predictions now.
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 20, 2020 18:31:07 GMT
The trend is very clear though, and how long can Westminster claim legitimacy when the Scottish People vote otherwise.... the next Scottish Parliament elections will be a referendum on the Union. The tories will ensure that it is and they will lose. Can I borrow your crystal ball? ππ we have no idea what will happen next May, itβs extremely unwise to make predictions now. 1. We make a lot of political predictions on this forum. It's what we do. 2. We are fairly well used to getting our predictions wrong.
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