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Post by No Offence Alan on May 11, 2020 6:48:23 GMT
Veering back again...I think the word in the question that some of you are missing is "town". I don't see how you can define Lympstone or Tyndrum as a town. Lympstone is a small to medium sized village (Iknow it well)with a military establishment up the road using the same name and they can have separate stations but I really don't see how hat can be a correct answer to the question, and as for Tyndrum- how can you possibly categorise a place with 167 souls as a town? Now Whitby, yes, that's a proper town.I'm with JG. Ardrossan is definitely an town (pop. 11,000) and has 3 stations - Ardrossan Harbour, Ardrossan Town and Ardrossan South Beach. Of course Ardrossan South Beach is the most northerly of the three. |
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Post by yellowperil on May 11, 2020 7:12:09 GMT
Bridgend is on course to being the thread in the almanac series with the prize for the greatest number of irrelevant posts,so here goes....back to Bristol stations. Parkway is obviously irrelevant to the discussion because it is not in Bristol. And as for St James, I am completely nonplussed. I have been going to Bristol since the 1940s and am very familiar with Temple Meads. Somehow, I have never heard of a station at St James. A complete gap in my knowledge. I wonder why?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 11, 2020 8:56:18 GMT
Fact: It's the only village written by Gunter Grass.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on May 11, 2020 9:19:33 GMT
Veering back again...I think the word in the question that some of you are missing is "town". I don't see how you can define Lympstone or Tyndrum as a town. Lympstone is a small to medium sized village (Iknow it well)with a military establishment up the road using the same name and they can have separate stations but I really don't see how hat can be a correct answer to the question, and as for Tyndrum- how can you possibly categorise a place with 167 souls as a town? Now Whitby, yes, that's a proper town.I'm with JG. In that case, I'd offer Edenbridge. One of its two stations is even called Edenbridge Town. |
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Post by The Bishop on May 11, 2020 9:19:43 GMT
I have been going to Bristol since the 1940s and am very familiar with Temple Meads. Somehow, I have never heard of a station at St James. A complete gap in my knowledge. I wonder why? Well, the Wikipedia article does say it was never that widely used. The irony is perhaps that it would be quite a bit better placed these days. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 11, 2020 9:38:30 GMT
Veering back again...I think the word in the question that some of you are missing is "town". I don't see how you can define Lympstone or Tyndrum as a town. Lympstone is a small to medium sized village (Iknow it well)with a military establishment up the road using the same name and they can have separate stations but I really don't see how hat can be a correct answer to the question, and as for Tyndrum- how can you possibly categorise a place with 167 souls as a town? Now Whitby, yes, that's a proper town.I'm with JG. Tyndrum is known and defined as a 'Township' as are most remote communities in Scotland, because they have many of the attributes of a town because they are remote. |
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Post by finsobruce on May 11, 2020 10:03:29 GMT
Fact: It's the only village written by Gunter Grass. Famous for its peeling of the onions ceremony. |
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Post by yellowperil on May 11, 2020 10:19:10 GMT
Veering back again...I think the word in the question that some of you are missing is "town". I don't see how you can define Lympstone or Tyndrum as a town. Lympstone is a small to medium sized village (Iknow it well)with a military establishment up the road using the same name and they can have separate stations but I really don't see how hat can be a correct answer to the question, and as for Tyndrum- how can you possibly categorise a place with 167 souls as a town? Now Whitby, yes, that's a proper town.I'm with JG. In that case, I'd offer Edenbridge. One of its two stations is even called Edenbridge Town. Yes why did I not think of that one? |
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Post by yellowperil on May 11, 2020 10:22:04 GMT
Veering back again...I think the word in the question that some of you are missing is "town". I don't see how you can define Lympstone or Tyndrum as a town. Lympstone is a small to medium sized village (Iknow it well)with a military establishment up the road using the same name and they can have separate stations but I really don't see how hat can be a correct answer to the question, and as for Tyndrum- how can you possibly categorise a place with 167 souls as a town? Now Whitby, yes, that's a proper town.I'm with JG. Tyndrum is known and defined as a 'Township' as are most remote communities in Scotland, because they have many of the attributes of a town because they are remote. I dont think the Scottish use of "township" equates to "town". If it does it suggests remote Scottish communities have no idea what a town is.  |
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Post by pl on May 11, 2020 12:43:05 GMT
The town of Edenbridge has a population of 9000, so obviously Tyndrum is far fewer. Crianlarich used to have two stations to serve their slightly larger population of 185. With regards to road traffic, I doubt that any settlement of under 200 is signposted on the road network from further away than Crainlarich, which is signposted on the motorway from south of Hamilton and is signposted from the Broxburn roundabout in Perth. From wikipedia (assuming we believe it): "In the 1750s, two military roads met in the village; in the 19th century, it became a railway junction on what is now the West Highland Line; in the 20th century it became the meeting point of the major A82 and A85 roads. As such, it is designated a primary destination in Scotland, signposted from as far as Glasgow in the south, Perth in the east, Oban in the west and Fort William in the north. In the 1960's there was even a direction sign for Crianlarich at Swiss Cottage at Camden in London. Since 2016 the A82 by-passes the centre of the village to avoid the low railway bridge in the village." |
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Post by finsobruce on May 11, 2020 12:55:26 GMT
The town of Edenbridge has a population of 9000, so obviously Tyndrum is far fewer. Crianlarich used to have two stations to serve their slightly larger population of 185. With regards to road traffic, I doubt that any settlement of under 200 is signposted on the road network from further away than Crainlarich, which is signposted on the motorway from south of Hamilton and is signposted from the Broxburn roundabout in Perth. From wikipedia (assuming we believe it): "In the 1750s, two military roads met in the village; in the 19th century, it became a railway junction on what is now the West Highland Line; in the 20th century it became the meeting point of the major A82 and A85 roads. As such, it is designated a primary destination in Scotland, signposted from as far as Glasgow in the south, Perth in the east, Oban in the west and Fort William in the north. In the 1960's there was even a direction sign for Crianlarich at Swiss Cottage at Camden in London. Since 2016 the A82 by-passes the centre of the village to avoid the low railway bridge in the village." Please let it be true.  |
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Post by pl on May 11, 2020 12:58:48 GMT
From wikipedia (assuming we believe it): "In the 1750s, two military roads met in the village; in the 19th century, it became a railway junction on what is now the West Highland Line; in the 20th century it became the meeting point of the major A82 and A85 roads. As such, it is designated a primary destination in Scotland, signposted from as far as Glasgow in the south, Perth in the east, Oban in the west and Fort William in the north. In the 1960's there was even a direction sign for Crianlarich at Swiss Cottage at Camden in London. Since 2016 the A82 by-passes the centre of the village to avoid the low railway bridge in the village." Please let it be true. The Interweb has no further knowledge on this as far as I can see. So as much as I want to be to true, I fear it isn't! |
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Post by bjornhattan on May 11, 2020 13:01:14 GMT
The town of Edenbridge has a population of 9000, so obviously Tyndrum is far fewer. Crianlarich used to have two stations to serve their slightly larger population of 185. With regards to road traffic, I doubt that any settlement of under 200 is signposted on the road network from further away than Crainlarich, which is signposted on the motorway from south of Hamilton and is signposted from the Broxburn roundabout in Perth. The distance from Hamilton to Crianlarich is 67 miles, which is only slightly longer than the 50 miles from a signpost in Penrith to Scotch Corner. However, the population of Scotch Corner is quite a lot smaller than Crianlarich - indeed I don't think it even has a permanent population! |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 11, 2020 13:07:09 GMT
I wonder if Swiss Cottage, being something of a hub for travel north out of London, had one of those massive signs with distances to everywhere marked.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on May 11, 2020 22:34:07 GMT
Of course, the signpost at Lands End and the one at John O Groats are further apart. But which has the smaller population? Presumably Land's End, as John O' Groats is an actual village. |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on May 25, 2020 17:52:56 GMT
We could - of course - debate endlessly what constitutes a city. And what constitutes a principal station. Doing so would seem to be in the best traditions of this board. Probably best to include in the definition of a principal station that it has a bus station as well as a pub which serves real ale. Not to derail the thread but Reading doesn't count as a principal station on this basis because it doesn't have a bus station. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 25, 2020 18:02:28 GMT
Doing so would seem to be in the best traditions of this board. Probably best to include in the definition of a principal station that it has a bus station as well as a pub which serves real ale. Not to derail the thread but Reading doesn't count as a principal station on this basis because it doesn't have a bus station. I'm assuming the post was tongue in cheek. Unless Crewe, York, Birmingham New Street, Manchester Picc, Plymouth etc etc are not principal stations. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 25, 2020 18:04:39 GMT
If I could just veer us back to Bridgend and its name in Welsh, I would just like to remind the forum that during both Zombie Reviews, the Boundary Commission for Wales considered the Welsh Language Act very carefully, and concluded that their recommendations must be made with dual names for each constituency, one in English, one in Welsh. I assume (because it wasn't very well explained) that the idea was the chosen name was the 'actual' and the other was the 'official alternative', although how that would have worked, I'm not sure. Anyway, they recommended a constituency with the name(s) "Bridgend and Vale of Glamorgan West ( Pen-y-bont a Gorllewin Bro Morgannwg)" Were Welsh names recommended for any English constituencies where the primary town or city has an alternative Welsh name? "Dinas Caer", "Henfforddy de Swydd Henffordd", or "Manceinion Canolog"? That might seem ridiculous but somewhere like Chester probably has nearly as many first language Welsh speakers as constituencies like this! The figure is 0.5% in the Garden Quarter ward of Chester, and while no figures are given for areas in Wales, Bridgend really won't have very many. Source? Very few (if any) wards in Wales are below 5% knowledge of Welsh. |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on May 25, 2020 18:06:20 GMT
Not to derail the thread but Reading doesn't count as a principal station on this basis because it doesn't have a bus station. I'm assuming the post was tongue in cheek. Unless Crewe, York, Birmingham New Street, Manchester Picc, Plymouth etc etc are not principal stations. Maybe, I'm afraid I have a sarcasm bypass 😂 |
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Post by bjornhattan on May 25, 2020 18:16:35 GMT
Were Welsh names recommended for any English constituencies where the primary town or city has an alternative Welsh name? "Dinas Caer", "Henfforddy de Swydd Henffordd", or "Manceinion Canolog"? That might seem ridiculous but somewhere like Chester probably has nearly as many first language Welsh speakers as constituencies like this! The figure is 0.5% in the Garden Quarter ward of Chester, and while no figures are given for areas in Wales, Bridgend really won't have very many. Source? Very few (if any) wards in Wales are below 5% knowledge of Welsh. I hope this link works (if not you can see it on any Census map). There are 5,233 residents aged 3 or above in Garden Quarter, and of these 24 speak Welsh as their main language, which is 0.46%. I accept that knowledge of Welsh might be higher than 5% basically everywhere, but usage as a main language will be lower. There are no figures given in the Census for Welsh as a main language within Welsh - perhaps to avoid the embarrassment of how low those figures would be in many cases. |
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