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Post by neilm on May 9, 2020 14:15:09 GMT
There are many hundreds, possibly thousands, of places across the UK that have appendages to their name to distinguish them from other places of the same name. They will all have originally have just been known by the first part of their name, with the appendage arriving later, and as can be seen here, that process continues to this day. In Newcastle's case, although the official name is Newcastle upon Tyne, and it is named as such on all maps, its station is just called Newcastle, and attempts to buy a ticket to Newcastle upon Tyne are as fruitless as trying to buy one to Penybont or Penybont-ar-Ogwr. The issue with train tickets is that the ticketing sites (and I assume the National Rail system) is in English. Penybont, Radnorshire is called Penybont in English (as it were) whereas Bridgend is called Bridgend on that system. |
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Post by greenhert on May 9, 2020 14:19:23 GMT
There are many hundreds, possibly thousands, of places across the UK that have appendages to their name to distinguish them from other places of the same name. They will all have originally have just been known by the first part of their name, with the appendage arriving later, and as can be seen here, that process continues to this day. In Newcastle's case, although the official name is Newcastle upon Tyne, and it is named as such on all maps, its station is just called Newcastle, and attempts to buy a ticket to Newcastle upon Tyne are as fruitless as trying to buy one to Penybont or Penybont-ar-Ogwr. Newcastle-under-Lyme's railway station was closed due to the Beeching Axe, hence no other station called or starting with Newcastle exists. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on May 9, 2020 21:24:52 GMT
There are many hundreds, possibly thousands, of places across the UK that have appendages to their name to distinguish them from other places of the same name. They will all have originally have just been known by the first part of their name, with the appendage arriving later, and as can be seen here, that process continues to this day. In Newcastle's case, although the official name is Newcastle upon Tyne, and it is named as such on all maps, its station is just called Newcastle, and attempts to buy a ticket to Newcastle upon Tyne are as fruitless as trying to buy one to Penybont or Penybont-ar-Ogwr. Newcastle-under-Lyme's railway station was closed due to the Beeching Axe, hence no other station called or starting with Newcastle exists. And Newcastle Emlyn closed a bit earlier than that in 1952. Right up until the end, you could take a train on a Summer Saturday from Newcastle Emlyn to Pencader Junction and change onto a train that went all the way through to Cardiff Queen Street via the most stupid route imaginable (the Swansea District Line and the Rhondda). I do wonder with some of these closed lines whether they would have survived if only the service pattern had been less stupid. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 9, 2020 21:42:17 GMT
Except when needed to distinguish them from the Staffs version, perhaps. Same with the two Kingstons. Some years ago a Government department sent some regeneration money to the wrong Newcastle. Which happily spent it. And was most upset when asked to send it back. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 9, 2020 21:43:54 GMT
There are many hundreds, possibly thousands, of places across the UK that have appendages to their name to distinguish them from other places of the same name. They will all have originally have just been known by the first part of their name, with the appendage arriving later, and as can be seen here, that process continues to this day. In Newcastle's case, although the official name is Newcastle upon Tyne, and it is named as such on all maps, its station is just called Newcastle, and attempts to buy a ticket to Newcastle upon Tyne are as fruitless as trying to buy one to Penybont or Penybont-ar-Ogwr. But has, at various times, been Newcastle Central. And - indeed - the Metro part at least is so described. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 9, 2020 21:47:09 GMT
Who cares really what the imaginary Welsh name for the place is? "Pont Newith on Ogor" dates from 1536-39; "Phen-pont-ar-ogwyr" from 1778. So - if imaginary - it's been around a long time. |
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Post by bjornhattan on May 9, 2020 22:46:55 GMT
There are many hundreds, possibly thousands, of places across the UK that have appendages to their name to distinguish them from other places of the same name. They will all have originally have just been known by the first part of their name, with the appendage arriving later, and as can be seen here, that process continues to this day. In Newcastle's case, although the official name is Newcastle upon Tyne, and it is named as such on all maps, its station is just called Newcastle, and attempts to buy a ticket to Newcastle upon Tyne are as fruitless as trying to buy one to Penybont or Penybont-ar-Ogwr. But has, at various times, been Newcastle Central. And - indeed - the Metro part at least is so described. It's still always referred to locally as "Central station", and this even applies somewhat officially. For example, the front of the buses which go outside my house display "Newcastle via Central Station". |
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Post by froome on May 10, 2020 5:33:53 GMT
But has, at various times, been Newcastle Central. And - indeed - the Metro part at least is so described. It's still always referred to locally as "Central station", and this even applies somewhat officially. For example, the front of the buses which go outside my house display "Newcastle via Central Station". The buses that pass my house used to display Kingsway Post Office as their destination until about 3 years ago. There hasn't been a post office on Kingsway here for at least 15 years, probably far longer, as when we moved here the building was already a private house with little evidence of its former use. So I think we can assume that bus companies are a bit slow on upgrading their maps! And going further off topic, when did Newcastle upon Tyne last have another rail station, apart from its metro stations? I assume it was in the era of British Rail. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 10, 2020 7:43:30 GMT
Who cares really what the imaginary Welsh name for the place is? "Pont Newith on Ogor" dates from 1536-39; "Phen-pont-ar-ogwyr" from 1778. So - if imaginary - it's been around a long time. Fascinating I'm sure. This Westminster parliamentary constituency dates from 1983 and it is called Bridgend. |
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Post by The Bishop on May 10, 2020 9:21:59 GMT
Has anybody claimed its not?
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Post by pl on May 10, 2020 9:27:26 GMT
It's still always referred to locally as "Central station", and this even applies somewhat officially. For example, the front of the buses which go outside my house display "Newcastle via Central Station". And going further off topic, when did Newcastle upon Tyne last have another rail station, apart from its metro stations? I assume it was in the era of British Rail. Newcastle still has the little used Manors station. Once vastly more important (and partially replaced by a Metro station) and I'm always surprised it has never been fully closed. It's in walking distance of Central. |
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Post by pl on May 10, 2020 9:35:14 GMT
It's still always referred to locally as "Central station", and this even applies somewhat officially. For example, the front of the buses which go outside my house display "Newcastle via Central Station". The buses that pass my house used to display Kingsway Post Office as their destination until about 3 years ago. There hasn't been a post office on Kingsway here for at least 15 years, probably far longer, as when we moved here the building was already a private house with little evidence of its former use. So I think we can assume that bus companies are a bit slow on upgrading their maps! If you ever pick up a black cab in west London, get an older driver and want to go to east London, you frequently find their Knowledge is decades out of date. They wont know the new docklands developments, so you end up directing them by long closed pubs. |
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Post by Penddu on May 10, 2020 11:26:29 GMT
Who cares really what the imaginary Welsh name for the place is? "Pont Newith on Ogor" dates from 1536-39; "Phen-pont-ar-ogwyr" from 1778. So - if imaginary - it's been around a long time. Where did you find those references? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 10, 2020 11:36:58 GMT
It's still always referred to locally as "Central station", and this even applies somewhat officially. For example, the front of the buses which go outside my house display "Newcastle via Central Station". The buses that pass my house used to display Kingsway Post Office as their destination until about 3 years ago. There hasn't been a post office on Kingsway here for at least 15 years, probably far longer, as when we moved here the building was already a private house with little evidence of its former use. So I think we can assume that bus companies are a bit slow on upgrading their maps! And going further off topic, when did Newcastle upon Tyne last have another rail station, apart from its metro stations? I assume it was in the era of British Rail. I think Newcastle may be the largest city in the UK only ever to have had a single principal railway station. Unless, of course, someone else knows different. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 10, 2020 11:39:14 GMT
"Pont Newith on Ogor" dates from 1536-39; "Phen-pont-ar-ogwyr" from 1778. So - if imaginary - it's been around a long time. Where did you find those references? Owen & Morgan's "Dictionary of the Place-Names of Wales", Gomer Press/Gwasg Gomer, 2007. £29.99 from all good bookshops. In Wales.  |
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 10, 2020 11:44:37 GMT
It's still always referred to locally as "Central station", and this even applies somewhat officially. For example, the front of the buses which go outside my house display "Newcastle via Central Station". The buses that pass my house used to display Kingsway Post Office as their destination until about 3 years ago. There hasn't been a post office on Kingsway here for at least 15 years, probably far longer, as when we moved here the building was already a private house with little evidence of its former use. So I think we can assume that bus companies are a bit slow on upgrading their maps! Pah! This month's Buses magazine has a letter about a bus stop in North Wales named "Ffon Tom" (Tom's Stick). Named after a product (quack remedy) sold at a shop owned by someone named Thomas Davies. The shop was demolished for road improvements. In around 1930. Lord Twaddleford may be familiar with it. It's next to the chip shop at the foot of Tywyn Hill between Deganwy and "The Junction". |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on May 10, 2020 11:50:09 GMT
The buses that pass my house used to display Kingsway Post Office as their destination until about 3 years ago. There hasn't been a post office on Kingsway here for at least 15 years, probably far longer, as when we moved here the building was already a private house with little evidence of its former use. So I think we can assume that bus companies are a bit slow on upgrading their maps! Pah! This month's Buses magazine has a letter about a bus stop in North Wales named "Ffon Tom" (Tom's Stick). Named after a product (quack remedy) sold at a shop owned by someone named Thomas Davies. The shop was demolished for road improvements. In around 1930. Lord Twaddleford may be familiar with it. It's next to the chip shop at the foot of Tywyn Hill between Deganwy and "The Junction". Do you mean the bus stop near this fish & chip shop (Google Street View)? I wouldn't know what the name given at the stop is, mind you. |
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Post by finsobruce on May 10, 2020 11:51:23 GMT
Where did you find those references? Owen & Morgan's "Dictionary of the Place-Names of Wales", Gomer Press/Gwasg Gomer, 2007. £29.99 from all good bookshops. In Wales. The hardback is an eyewatering price on Amazon and it doesn't seem to be on the Gomer Books site at all.
Someone is selling a copy of the hardback on ebay for £35 plus postage, which seems like a bargain...
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 10, 2020 11:58:13 GMT
Pah! This month's Buses magazine has a letter about a bus stop in North Wales named "Ffon Tom" (Tom's Stick). Named after a product (quack remedy) sold at a shop owned by someone named Thomas Davies. The shop was demolished for road improvements. In around 1930. Lord Twaddleford may be familiar with it. It's next to the chip shop at the foot of Tywyn Hill between Deganwy and "The Junction". Do you mean the bus stop near this fish & chip shop (Google Street View)? I wouldn't know what the name given at the stop is, mind you. The very same. The shop was just to the right of the silver car coming along the main road, before the Tywyn Hill road was widened. And if you don't know that's Ffon Tom you're clearly not local enough ! "This is a local shop for local people. Who want quack remedies." |
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Post by Penddu on May 10, 2020 13:00:43 GMT
Owen & Morgan's "Dictionary of the Place-Names of Wales", Gomer Press/Gwasg Gomer, 2007. £29.99 from all good bookshops. In Wales. The hardback is an eyewatering price on Amazon and it doesn't seem to be on the Gomer Books site at all.
Someone is selling a copy of the hardback on ebay for £35 plus postage, which seems like a bargain...
I am pretty certain my father has a copy... if not I might invest... |
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